<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527</id><updated>2012-01-19T10:38:24.163-05:00</updated><category term='Cavtat'/><category term='six hundred horsemen'/><category term='Balkan'/><category term='rental lightbouses'/><category term='Grebeni Lighthouse'/><category term='location exclusions'/><category term='ferry'/><category term='Marco Polo'/><category term='fish'/><category term='Gregor'/><category term='roots of genocide'/><category term='Vis'/><category term='Jelacic'/><category term='Trogir'/><category term='religious'/><category term='cemetery'/><category term='sample menu. 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Miragoj Cemetery'/><category term='Croatia'/><category term='Mali Ston Dalmatian Coast'/><category term='St. Stephen&apos;s Cathedral'/><category term='what happened to Tomislav'/><category term='Gregory of Nin'/><category term='Primosten'/><category term='Officer Yellachitch'/><category term='europeroadways'/><category term='UNESCO'/><category term='recipe'/><category term='egg-sucking dog'/><category term='Peljesac Peninsula'/><category term='food'/><category term='St. Cyril and Methodius'/><category term='carnival'/><category term='Ozalj'/><category term='Zrinski'/><category term='Cardinal Stepinac'/><category term='Nora Barnacle letter 1904'/><category term='James Joyce'/><category term='currency conversion'/><category term='tea'/><category term='Karlovac'/><category term='Sibenik'/><category term='Sisenik'/><category term='Frankopan'/><category term='karst'/><category term='history of a crossroads'/><category term='Split'/><title type='text'>Croatia Road Ways  Two on the Loose   TRAVEL HUMANITIES PHOTOS</title><subtitle type='html'>Two people, heading out.  Improvised road trip, no tours, no reservations: Zagreb, Rijeka, Pula (then Trieste; Slovenia), Senj, Pag, Nin, Zadar, Sinj (then Bosnia), Dubrovnik (then Montenegro), Makarska, Sibenik, Karlovac, Ozalj, (back to Slovenia), Jasenovac, Osijek, Verazdin.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>43</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-6399007176560050588</id><published>2011-08-12T11:31:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-12-04T12:50:58.584-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dubrovnik'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Grebeni Lighthouse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rental lightbouses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fjaka'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lighthouses for rent'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><title type='text'>Fjaka. Dubrovnik, Other Islands.  New Travel Info. Dubrovnik - Lighthouses</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Rent a Lighthouse&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Dubrovnik area.&amp;nbsp; Dubrovnik was once was the republic known as Ragusa, in the 15th century.&amp;nbsp; Its maritime power rivaled Venice. It came under its latest siege in 1991, in the "dismemberment" of Yugoslavia, see Financial Times, September 11-12, 2010, article "Grace Under Fire" by Alec Russell. Dubrovnik is a favored location, with its 4-meter thick walls. Best to see it in fall or spring, not the cruise-crowded summer. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Newer possibilities in Croatia: lighthouses. See again&amp;nbsp;the Financial Times from July 8, 2011, &lt;a href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/76dbaf24-a250-11e0-bb06-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1UpRXV9sq"&gt;Send Out the Speedboat, We Need More Champagne&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Rent Grebeni, off Dubrovnik, some 3 miles off.&amp;nbsp; Rental lighthouses are now available and going fast. Find some with butlers, chefs, housekeepers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some lighthouses originated in the 1800's with the Austro-Hungarian Empire's Habsburgs.&amp;nbsp; Grebeni was de-commissioned in the 1960's. Take the family:&amp;nbsp; One single and three double bedrooms.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rental lighthouses. For us, too time-warped.&amp;nbsp; But on the list.&amp;nbsp; But why not now?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Think of gentlemen of Dubrovnik, quill in hand, and in the soothing arms of the sacred nap.&amp;nbsp; What is that, the enduring image, half-seen, see Fjaka, Between Times, at &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/goog_1714555786"&gt;http://www.croatia.org/crown/articles/9842/1/Fjaka&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://--between-times.html/"&gt;--Between-Times.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The fjaka. The fjakuna's yawn does not take a lighthouse to find, but perhaps ... it .... can ... dzzzzzzs.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sXJNNo6Ukhc/RnZ_EgR-jfI/AAAAAAAAAf4/DPZmELk2SNs/s1600/Istriaview.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="202" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sXJNNo6Ukhc/RnZ_EgR-jfI/AAAAAAAAAf4/DPZmELk2SNs/s400/Istriaview.jpg" width="400" /&gt;Croatia; Fjaka. Just lean back ...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Island off Split, via Hvar, to Vis.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fjaka -a-a-ah. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This takes a map.&amp;nbsp; We did not get to Vis, but understand also from the Financial Times, this one from July 30-31, 2011, has a Hotel San Giorgio that also rents out a lighthouse nearby. &amp;nbsp; Vis is some two hours by ferry from Split, and housed a cave headquarters for Tito in WWII.&amp;nbsp; Other military installations were also on the island. There is a dreamy grotto to explore,&amp;nbsp; baroque palazzos (Venice was less influential here than on the mainland, however), Roman baths, Greek necropolis - city of the dead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We tend to keep moving, but in a later incarnation, would return to Vis for some fiaka. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fjaka.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The article notes "fjaka" -- Croatian for "lazy mood."&amp;nbsp; But that is in itself inadequate for the period of nap, of indeterminate length and posture, between productivity and productivity, if even one cares if it returns, or was ever there, huuuunnnhhhhh.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find a meandering but seductively astute observation of fjaka at &lt;a href="http://www.croatia.org/crown/articles/9842/1/Fjaka---Between-Times.htm"&gt;http://www.croatia.org/crown/articles/9842/1/Fjaka---Between-Times.htm&lt;/a&gt;l. Blissful state, beyond control. A faint unconsciousness.&amp;nbsp; Fjakuni.&amp;nbsp; Those who withdraw, seemingly uselessly, from the world.&amp;nbsp; A lengthening cat, heavy in sleep in the sun. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If my brother is allowed to fjak, why am not I?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-6399007176560050588?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/6399007176560050588/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=6399007176560050588' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/6399007176560050588'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/6399007176560050588'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2011/08/new-travel-info-dubrovnik-lighthouses.html' title='Fjaka. Dubrovnik, Other Islands.  New Travel Info. Dubrovnik - Lighthouses'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sXJNNo6Ukhc/RnZ_EgR-jfI/AAAAAAAAAf4/DPZmELk2SNs/s72-c/Istriaview.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-8386401414790429824</id><published>2009-05-27T11:47:00.009-04:00</published><updated>2011-11-16T16:33:42.281-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='history of a crossroads'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vatican'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ustache'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ozalj'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='groups'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatian history'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='roots of genocide'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Slavko Goldstein'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Karlovac'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religious'/><title type='text'>Karlovac.  Croatian History - And Ethnic, Religious Group Conflict. Deaths writ large and small.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Croatia.&amp;nbsp; History of a Crossroads.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Deaths writ large - Karlovac&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Deaths writ small - Osijek&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Deaths writ large.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Slavko Goldstein, Croatian journalist, publisher, philosopher in his way, wrote a book not yet translated, but there is an extensive review worth absorbing. See &lt;i&gt;"He Understood Evil"&lt;/i&gt; at &lt;a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/article-preview?article_id=22795/"&gt;http://www.nybooks.com/articles/article-preview?article_id=22795/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;In 1941, the Jewish author Slavko Goldstein was living with his parents in the city of Karlovac&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SsN1mlCL2yI/AAAAAAAAIJs/6rplZwXo_Ag/s1600-h/DSCN3192.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SsN1mlCL2yI/AAAAAAAAIJs/6rplZwXo_Ag/s320/DSCN3192.JPG" /&gt;Ozalj Castle, near Karlovac, Croatia: view&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Slavko Goldstein's father was among those killed by the Ustache, pro-fascist nationalists who bloomed under the Nazis 1941 ff.  What followed: the deaths of  "32,000 Jews, 40,000 Gypsies and 350,000 Serbs". See &lt;i&gt;He Understood Evil&lt;/i&gt;, a review by Charles Simic, as to Goldstein's book (not yet translated), &lt;i&gt;1941: The Year That Keeps Returning&lt;/i&gt;, Zagreb, Novi Liber, 494 pp., HRK180.00.  Find it at &lt;a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2009/jul/02/he-understood-evil/"&gt;http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2009/jul/02/he-understood-evil/&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; It has been criticized by others, see &lt;a href="http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/17397/croatians-rip-holocaust-book-for-criticizing-archbishop/"&gt;http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/17397/croatians-rip-holocaust-book-for-criticizing-archbishop/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The elements are familiar: There is a family from this lovely setting, a medium-sized, working town, regular people.  Then deaths on a massive scale. It takes close reading and concentration to absorb all this mass death and history, but do it. How does it happen? This review, from Dialogic, by a Thivai Abhor, &lt;a href="http://dialogic.blogspot.com/2009/06/charles-simic-slavko-goldstein-he.html/"&gt;http://dialogic.blogspot.com/2009/06/charles-simic-slavko-goldstein-he.html/&lt;/a&gt;; focuses on nationalism as triggering disregard for all other interests, rights, see&lt;em&gt; Le Monde Diplomatique&lt;/em&gt;, English ed., at &lt;a href="http://mondediplo.com/blogs/nationalism-is-the-culprit/"&gt;http://mondediplo.com/blogs/nationalism-is-the-culprit/&lt;/a&gt;.  National identity, group identity, has any nation resolved issues of humana vs. immediate self-interest with an ethnic or cultural group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Croatia has been at the center of Balkan conflict for centuries of invasions, wars, ethnic warring.&amp;nbsp; Find an overview at &lt;a href="http://montenegroroadways.blogspot.com/2011/09/roots-of-old-yugoslavia.html"&gt;http://montenegroroadways.blogspot.com/2011/09/roots-of-old-yugoslavia.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; With war criminals still being found and arrested and brought to trial at the Hague, the issue remains important.&amp;nbsp; How could all this happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Croatian history:  Conflict, invasions, re-orderings. Complex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Crossroads and conflicts.&amp;nbsp; Ancient history to modern.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.1&amp;nbsp; Greeks.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;It began with the Greeks, in a peaceful way, apparently, see &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Croatian History&lt;/span&gt; at  &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/i_canjar/history/crohistory.htm/"&gt;http://www.geocities.com/i_canjar/history/crohistory.htm/&lt;/a&gt; .&amp;nbsp; The Greeks established colonies in 600 BC.  Here in Croatia, see Cavtat at &lt;a href="http://www.croatiatraveller.com/southern_dalmatia/Cavtat.htm."&gt;http://www.croatiatraveller.com/southern_dalmatia/Cavtat.htm.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then came the Romans.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;2.2&amp;nbsp; Avars. Migrating groups soon arrived, although elements of smaller groups may have shared space with the Romans, see &lt;a href="http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2004/06/avars-bulgars-and-croats.html"&gt;http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2004/06/avars-bulgars-and-croats.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;2.3&amp;nbsp; Croats.&amp;nbsp; Now begins more forceful takeovers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Croats came, we understand, from the Ukraine in the 6th Century AD.  They defeated the Romans and others at the Adriatic Sea area, and its many ports, in about 614-635 AD.  The Croats also beat back the Avars, another group, back to the Danube: then were awarded lands under the sovereignty of the Byzantine Empire, that became the Orthodox branch of Christianity.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;2.4.&amp;nbsp; King Tomislav.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3176.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3176.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" /&gt;King Tomislav, Capilyn, Bosnia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tomislav&amp;nbsp;first ruled over a unified Croatia - until his mysterious death in 928 when the Roman branch of Christianity&amp;nbsp;was competing with the Orthodox&amp;nbsp;(see &lt;a href="http://www.studiacroatica.org/jcs/01/0105.htm"&gt;http://www.studiacroatica.org/jcs/01/0105.htm&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and &lt;a href="http://bosniaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/capilyn-near-croatian-border-statue.html"&gt;http://bosniaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/capilyn-near-croatian-border-statue.html&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Then begin the back and forth wars and migrations among Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Istria, other regions.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;2.5&amp;nbsp; Turkish Ottomans.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Invasions of the Turks (Ottomans): see &lt;a href="http://www.medievalists.net/2009/08/28/the-ottoman-influences-on-croatia-in-the-second-half-of-the-fifteenth-century/"&gt;http://www.medievalists.net/2009/08/28/the-ottoman-influences-on-croatia-in-the-second-half-of-the-fifteenth-century/&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;leading to tensions that persisted and augmented both World Wars, and to today in some regions: Orthodox Christians, Roman Christians, Hungarians, Muslims, Magyars.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The capital, Zagreb, became a seat of a Bishop in 1094 a Roman Catholic Bishop, in the conservative and authoritarian Roman mode. This was only&amp;nbsp;after centuries of conflict with the earlier egalitarian heritage of Nin, see Bishop Grgur Ninski who opposed imposing a Latin service on the people, but lost and was deposed.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;In neighboring Serbia, the Orthodox heritage prevailed, in competition with the Roman, see &lt;a href="http://euroheritage.net/serbscroatsbosnians.shtml"&gt;http://euroheritage.net/serbscroatsbosnians.shtml&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; That competition continued well through WWII with charges by Orthodox that the Roman clergy stood by while Orthodox were slaughtered in Jasenovac Concentration Camp, offering only "conversion" - of these already Christian people.&amp;nbsp; See &lt;a href="http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm"&gt;http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/bosnia.htm&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; What proofs of opposing the&amp;nbsp;slaughter has the Vatican provided? Is the issue still current? Apparently so, with the counterattacks on the work of &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Is group identity and justification always determinative over rights of an individual. When does tolerance end and threat start&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Ethnic group conflict.  A part of any society under stress, or where one feels threat by the emergence of another. In Croatia, there is an added element:  groups that lived in concert reasonably for centuries, were turned against one another with horrific results.  How did that happen after all that time. What are the roots of genocide. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; Deaths writ smaller.&amp;nbsp; Individual Death. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find compassion, details, of individual deaths, in cultures where portraits, stories, are told on the stones: where circumstance permitted individualization.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Sh1isX-vTMI/AAAAAAAAHYM/tcGnhHmy7rw/s1600-h/girlgrave.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5340533247622204610" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/Sh1isX-vTMI/AAAAAAAAHYM/tcGnhHmy7rw/s320/girlgrave.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 320px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 216px;" /&gt;Osijek, Croatia,&amp;nbsp;cemetery nearby. Child Therezia, age 16&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is the face and figure of the child, Therezia, who died at age 16 - a random stop to walk slowly through a graveyard near Osijek. Who was she. How did she die. Who were her people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-8386401414790429824?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/8386401414790429824/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=8386401414790429824' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/8386401414790429824'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/8386401414790429824'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2009/05/croatian-history-ethnic-religious.html' title='Karlovac.  Croatian History - And Ethnic, Religious Group Conflict. Deaths writ large and small.'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SsN1mlCL2yI/AAAAAAAAIJs/6rplZwXo_Ag/s72-c/DSCN3192.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-8119316682731224075</id><published>2009-03-24T21:14:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-18T14:32:40.713-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='europeroadways'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Black Lamb and Grey Falcon'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Officer Yellachitch'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Zagreb'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jelacic'/><title type='text'>Zagreb - Officer Yellachitch, or Jelacic</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;Officer Yellachitch.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The modern spelling for the name is "Jelacic"; but the more familiar spelling may come from the fine vintage book about the Balkans, "Black Lamb, Gray Falcon", by Rebecca West, from 1937-41. The officer stands, mounted, in the market square, Jelacic Square. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yellatchitch-Jelacic according to "Black Lamb" is the 1848 hero who had been appointed Ban of Croatia. He was a Croat General who brilliantly repelled the Hungarians, crushing their rebellion, and thus preserved the Austrian Empire from the Hungarians.&amp;nbsp; They later joined forces as the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but at this time there was conflict.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Ban" means "Viceroy".&amp;nbsp; The story is important for its human betrayal side:&amp;nbsp; Jelacic was then promptly shoved aside, as other powerful interests and people took over. See knigite.abv.bg/en/rw/rw_epilogue1., the 1937-41 book, "Black Lamb and Grey Falcon," by Rebecca West at the paperback version pages 53-56, Penguin Books 1994.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read about the old Zagreb there:&amp;nbsp; here is the Epilogue at knigite.abv.bg/en/rw/rw_epilogue1, Old Zagreb, "Black Lamb and Grey Falcon."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Travel reading.&amp;nbsp; I took the paperback, but cut it in half. It was too thick as a single paperback, too heavy as a hardback. Kept both halves,&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-8119316682731224075?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/8119316682731224075/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=8119316682731224075' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/8119316682731224075'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/8119316682731224075'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/zagreb-officer-yellatchich.html' title='Zagreb - Officer Yellachitch, or Jelacic'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115298030881141308</id><published>2009-03-24T11:55:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-18T14:23:49.723-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cardinal Stepinac'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Zagreb'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dragons. Miragoj Cemetery'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='St. Stephen&apos;s Cathedral'/><title type='text'>Zagreb - Metropolitan:  Cathedral, Mirogoj Cemetery, St. Mark's, St. George, underground mall</title><content type='html'>The lower new town of Zagreb, off the hillside-cliff defense area, is cosmopolitan with parks and grand statues and great Viennese-style avenues and buildings, for business. Days of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3209.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3209.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Railroad Station, Zagreb, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The huge old (cloak and dagger?) railroad station in Zagreb has been a main stop for passengers coming from Vienna and moving on to Belgrade or elsewhere, and back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can see the influence of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire in most all of the buildings and statuary.  The tiled roof is on St. Mark's. We found more people who spoke German than English. See fine photo gallery at www.pbase.com/ralf/zagreb&amp;amp;page=all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3205.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3205.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;St. Mark's Church, Zagreb, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are two main churches:&amp;nbsp; This, St. Mark's Church; it is first documented in the 12th Century, Romanesque.&amp;nbsp; The roof tiles form the coats of arms of Croatia, Dalmatia (the coastal region), Zagreb and Slavonia (the western agricultural region, see ://www.croatiatraveller.com/Slavonia/Slavonia.htm).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there is the Cathedral of St. Stephen, a more traditional Gothic-looking structure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the Cathedral of St. Stephen is the burial place for Cardinal Stepinac, whose activities during WWII are a discussion point for those concerned with the role of church officials in wars. Do you stand aside, and condone by passivity the genocides and other atrocities, or do you give up your life for your friends?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cardinal Stepinac kept his life, and offered only to convert the Orthodox headed to their deaths at the hands of the Ustache.&amp;nbsp; He did not stop or try to stop the executions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a favorable review of what Cardinal Stepinac decided and when, see www.hic.hr/books/stepinac/english/second/.&amp;nbsp; For a less favorable account, see www.philologos.org/bpr/files/Vatican/vs001a. Fine minds differ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is St. George, battling the perpetual dragon.  Moisture drips from his toe, but this is not seen as miraculous as in  some other religious statuary. See example at &lt;a href="http://www.bosniaroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt;Bosnia Road Ways,  Medjugorje site &lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0021.7.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0021.7.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;St. George and the Dragon, Zagreb park, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dragons.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;The earliest "known" dragon may be at Mesopotamia, from  the time of King Nebuchadnezzar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What traces of what led to the nearly global idea of hte dragon.&amp;nbsp; Is it just a kind of dinosaur.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Collateral  and unrecoverable damage caused by wars over the centuries. Is there any archeological evidence of  anything left there, after Operation Iraqi "Freedom."  See information  on collections at www.dia.org/collections/ancient/mesopotamia/31.25.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dragon forms were also in Egypt, see  www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Article/799168, and in various eastern and  western cultures, see www.draconika.com/culture.php.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More  on dragons: A TV show (history channel? sponsored by the army??)  recently, in September 2006, said that dragons were also in Mexico,  Alaska (!) . and we have seen the dragon boats in Viking cultures. Were  they real once? Here is the story of a knight and the dragon, and saving  the lady, from Libya: www.kellscraft.com/stgeorge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3211.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3211.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Miragoj Cemetery, Covered Gallery, Zagreb, Croatia (Orthodox; some German, from WWII)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Miragoj Cemetery. This has been a heavily Orthodox area, and the big Mirogoj cemetery, just outside Zagreb, has many if not almost equal Cyrilic alphabet monuments, or other Orthodox symbols.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a large outdoor cemetery, of course, with walkways, and photographs of the deceased on the stones, embedded, or otherwise attached. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLHZ-axEoI/AAAAAAAAAWo/wqw5OWjDuRk/s1600-h/DSCN3212.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071835379438523010" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLHZ-axEoI/AAAAAAAAAWo/wqw5OWjDuRk/s320/DSCN3212.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Miragoj Cemetery, Gallery, Zagreb, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a former Croatian president here, Mr. Tudjman, and artists,  literary figures, professionals. Their locations are mapped; or just  follow a tour group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One travel site has little on Mirogoj, and asks for  input, but their motto is something like, find what is true, and then  travel to see it. See www.tripadvisor.com/. We do the opposite - who says what is  true and why? Go and find it out yourself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There also German soldiers from WWII, interred with a carefully alphabetized common marker, with names and full birth and death dates.&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLG5eaxEnI/AAAAAAAAAWg/bArG0-Hs-FY/s1600-h/scan0029.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071834821092774514" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLG5eaxEnI/AAAAAAAAAWg/bArG0-Hs-FY/s320/scan0029.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Miragoj Cemetery, German section WWII, Zagreb, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115298030881141308?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115298030881141308/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115298030881141308' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115298030881141308'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115298030881141308'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/07/zagreb-metropolitan-cathedral-mirogoj.html' title='Zagreb - Metropolitan:  Cathedral, Mirogoj Cemetery, St. Mark&apos;s, St. George, underground mall'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLHZ-axEoI/AAAAAAAAAWo/wqw5OWjDuRk/s72-c/DSCN3212.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-7790867824740377923</id><published>2008-08-06T18:48:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2008-08-06T19:10:48.484-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Death Camp'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dinko Sakic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Concentration Camp'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jasenovac'/><title type='text'>Jasenovac - Death of Dinko Savic, Leader of Death Camp</title><content type='html'>The death camp at Jasenovac is now nothing but a leveled park area, with closed museum, locked bathrooms, vacant and dry fountain memorials. Just some maps on pedestals, explanations at ground level as to the mass graves beneath your feet, an old train on a track with bullet holes, used for transport. An occasional biker, a man on a mowing machine, a willow.  All its memorabilia sent to Washington DC, the Holocaust Memorial.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is a disservice to the people of Croatia. The memory is being erased.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A reminder this week of Jasenovac:  the death of Dinko Savic at age 86, reportedin the New York Times 7/23/08. The article says that the camp was known as the "Auschwitz of the Balkans," yet is is abandoned. No tourists. Nobody. He used to ride in on a white horse, with black boots, black uniform, whip and machine gun. Say survivors. He fled to Argentina and lived there for 50 years, and not in hiding.  He said in his last years he was "proud of what he had done and would gladly do it again." NYT. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He died in Zagreb, the capital of Croatia, in Croatia serving a 20-year prison sentence. Crimes against humanity. He was found guilty, himself, of killing 2000 Serbs (Orthodox Christian, not Roman Catholic, and the Roman Church stood by, see post here on Cardinal Stepinac), Jews and Gypsies.  Can we dare forget how they died? Withholding medical treatment, working ot death, hanging and leaving dangling in some cases until dead, if not immediately killed; personal shootings, including for smiling say some survivors; torture with blowtorch; starvation. When convicted, he laughed and clapped his hands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The issue - proFascists - the numbers are exaggerated.  Against - they are underestimated.  But noone will exhume, in case the other side is proven right. Highest estimates of totals are in the hundreds of thousands. Lowest? Tens of thousands. So everybody go home and forget. There is not even a sign on the highway identifying it as a concentration camp.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read more at ://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/466369, the same as appeared in the NYT; and ://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/08/08/03/0803reich_edit.html&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-7790867824740377923?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7790867824740377923/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=7790867824740377923' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7790867824740377923'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7790867824740377923'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2008/08/jasenovac-death-of-dinko-savic-leader.html' title='Jasenovac - Death of Dinko Savic, Leader of Death Camp'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-8619684438518932040</id><published>2008-03-23T20:24:00.008-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-18T14:41:51.311-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='King Tomislav'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='what happened to Tomislav'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ask the Vatican'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gregory of Nin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Zagreb'/><title type='text'>Zagreb - King Tomislav, Crowned 925 - Disappeared 928 +/- AD</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;King  Tomislav.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Missing Has His Place&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3208.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3208.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;King Tomislav, Zagreb, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tomislav  stands on his mount here in the capital of Croatia, Zagreb.&amp;nbsp; This is at  the entrance of the magnificent old train station, near the grandest  hotel in Zagreb.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tomislav was crowned in 925 AD, see  ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislav,&amp;nbsp; by the Holy Catholic  Church in  Rome.&amp;nbsp; This period precedes the later division in about  1000 (?)  between the Latin-Roman Catholic Church and what we call the  Eastern  Orthodox, or Orthodox Christian, Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The later  ecclesiastical division occurred when the Roman branch  pulled away. At  this earlier time, there was still only one Holy Catholic  Church, as I  recall from reading.  But there is a mystery:&amp;nbsp; Tomislav "disappeared"  and then was  "declared dead" in 928 AD.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;VM, who  provided us with the correct identification, refers us to another site:&amp;nbsp;  www.croatian-king-tomislav.com/ where a Mr. Mojmir Damjanovic of  Australia is researching where King Tomislav is buried, and even where  the actual Crown might be&amp;nbsp; - looking for "the father of independent  Croatia."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The site notes that little is recorded in  history texts about the kingdom 923-1102 AD.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There had  been discord ongoing at the time about whether the Croatian Catholic or  the Latin Catholic Church should control in the area. The Croatian  Kingdom, says the site, was "mightier than England at the time,  mightiest in that part of Europe."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So:&amp;nbsp; Was the death a "planned  strategy" to "quash its strength and its power, to deny the Croatian  nation self-determination and its name; its independence." &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;To be continued. Connecting other things  here as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Roots of a country's memories go deep - King Tomislav from the 10th Century is so remembered. Whenever important matters are said to be unknown, does that mean&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) that history is shaped by the victor's spin, and the representation may be concealment, or fabrication, to suit the victor, and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) religions do not expand by truth and voluntary conversion primarily, but by politics and strategic killings through the centuries; and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) countries that bloomed early, and are not empires any more, like Croatia, or those that were on the verge of greatness and expansion at in the 10th Century, are no less worthy in history because their leaders were overcome by other forces, than those who scrabbled themselves on top.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See King Tomislav in Bosnia - Bosnia or great parts of it once was part of the larger Croatian sphere of influence at that time, 900-1100. We have to check the dates, but see &lt;a href="http://bosniaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/capilyn-near-croatian-border-statue.html"&gt;Bosnia Road Ways, Capilyn, Statue&lt;/a&gt;. The inscription, based on what we have been told by one VM (see the Zagreb post) shows that King Tomislav was crowned at Capilyn.&amp;nbsp; Spellings vary depending on the language being used.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;King Tomislav mysteriously disappeared some three years after his coronation, in the context of a dispute with the Roman Catholic or Latin Catholic branch of Christendom, where the Croatian branch had wanted more autonomy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ask the Vatican what happened to Tomislav? All it takes is access to the Vatican's library to get at the truth, we bet - we bet they have all that is needed in there. Ask for a library card.&amp;nbsp; Any more bets?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Connections, connections. Conflict with Rome and Big Consequences.&amp;nbsp; Look up the Nin post here and Bishop Gregory of Nin, and the guides tell us that he had wanted to do the Mass in Croatian.&amp;nbsp; But Rome stopped him. Post dated January 26, 2007.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-8619684438518932040?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/8619684438518932040/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=8619684438518932040' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/8619684438518932040'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/8619684438518932040'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2008/03/zagreb-king-tomislav-crowned-925.html' title='Zagreb - King Tomislav, Crowned 925 - Disappeared 928 +/- AD'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-5463612529056866727</id><published>2008-01-16T17:35:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-01-17T11:04:29.960-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nenad Milinkovic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ustache'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Marko Perkovic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Thompson'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='St. Cyril and Methodius'/><title type='text'>Croatia now, reflecting then. Contemporary rock concert, WWII history, clash.</title><content type='html'>Who collaborated with the Nazis, who didn't, who was responsible or did not intervene effectively enough in the deaths of so many Orthodox, Gypsies, Serbs, other Croats, others, all this lives on in current events.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11/1/2007 - NYT Arts section. A Croatian rock group's concert, that had been scheduled for the cultural center run by the Croatian at the Church of St. Simon and Methodius, located at 10th Ave. and 41st St. It was canceled said spokesman Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center (a goal there is to counter anti-Semitism),because of protests that some lyrics glorified the WWII government, the Ustache, that was a flip side of the Nazis in terms of support. The artist: Marko Perkovic (Thompson is the stage name). Apparently there is a slogan in a song that echoes the Ustache regime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Protesters included Nenad Milinkovic, of a Serbian-American church in Manhattan.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Of interest especially to us is the name, St. Cyril and Methodius - the same name of the Orthodox Church in Prague CZ where the assassins of Nazi Reinhold Heydrich were finally cornered and killed themselves. Go to the posts at &lt;a href="http://www.czechrepublicroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt;Czech Republic Road Ways&lt;/a&gt; , specifically &lt;a href="http://czechrepublicroadways.blogspot.com/2007/08/prague-at-war-world-war-ii-operation.html"&gt;Operation Daybreak, Assassination of Reinhold Heydrich&lt;/a&gt;. Also look at &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/:http://www.petrginz.blogspot.com"&gt;Places of Petr Ginz&lt;/a&gt;, for a similar post, at &lt;a href="http://petrginz.blogspot.com/2007/08/assassination-in-life-of-petr-ginz.html"&gt;An Assassination in the life of Petr Ginz&lt;/a&gt;. Petr Ginz was a 12-13 year old boy in Prague during the Occupation in WWII, and he had entries related to that assassination. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The names of saints recur in many countries - and people bring them to where they emigrate. Connections, connections.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-5463612529056866727?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/5463612529056866727/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=5463612529056866727' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5463612529056866727'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5463612529056866727'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2008/01/croatia-now-reflecting-then-current.html' title='Croatia now, reflecting then. Contemporary rock concert, WWII history, clash.'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-7393105367212213035</id><published>2007-09-08T17:47:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2008-01-16T17:35:39.328-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='history site'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><title type='text'>Croatia; and the Old Yugoslavia. History of Central Europe</title><content type='html'>Every so often, we come across a site to be passed on to you. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We think: Among the best history sites is at History of Central Europe at //mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/misc/europe.htm#Mong.&lt;br /&gt;Scroll to the part especially about the relations between Croatia and Serbia. Roman Catholic v. Orthodox Christian; Roman alphabet v. Cyrillic, etc.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-7393105367212213035?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7393105367212213035/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=7393105367212213035' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7393105367212213035'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7393105367212213035'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/09/croatia-and-old-yugoslavia-history-of.html' title='Croatia; and the Old Yugoslavia. History of Central Europe'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-5955391890826463625</id><published>2007-09-07T13:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:18.361-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Attila'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='court'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Priscus the Goth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Priscus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Istria'/><title type='text'>Attila and Istria</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RuG-4XaeGuI/AAAAAAAABC4/WGa0CuzycCY/s1600-h/DSCN3159.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RuG-4XaeGuI/AAAAAAAABC4/WGa0CuzycCY/s320/DSCN3159.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5107573327981845218" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Istria and famous people. Istria is the peninsula on the northwestern part of the crescent that is Croatia, bordering Trieste, Italy; and Slovenia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It appears that like Attila the Hun died in Istria. See istrianet.org/istria/history/0000-0999AD/huns-goths/attila-death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not Attila.  If you thought it was, then you have been influenced by all the pro-Roman constructs that are part of our biased culture and have been for centuries.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This instead is Roman. The ruins of the Roman Empire are very much a part of Croatia (see the town of Split in particular here).  Here, the Roman fellow registers frozen surprise at being caught corrupted and impermanent after all, and the empire toppled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Attila probably was not the 100% barbaric villain we are taught - instead, read of his virtuous and admirable sides. Look, chew and decide before swallowing.  See &lt;a href="htp://www.bogomilia.blogspot.com"&gt;Bogomilia - A Site for the Unsung&lt;/a&gt;. He was a barbarian, originally meaning not a Greek, see www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarian.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read a contemporary account. Go slowly through this Medieval Sourcebook, Priscus at the Court of Attica, a report of Priscus' of meeting with Attila, and his court. Read it all. Especially paragraphs 5 and 6.  Not bad.  Priscus was a Goth historian. See www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscus.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-5955391890826463625?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/5955391890826463625/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=5955391890826463625' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5955391890826463625'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5955391890826463625'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/09/attila-and-istria.html' title='Attila and Istria'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RuG-4XaeGuI/AAAAAAAABC4/WGa0CuzycCY/s72-c/DSCN3159.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-114910859602232264</id><published>2007-07-21T16:49:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2009-10-22T04:00:51.442-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ajvar'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vegeta'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatian recipes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Balkan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='buzara'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='slivovicz'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cevapcici'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='recipes'/><title type='text'>Food -- Ajvar, scampi buzara, cevapcici, slivovicz, Vegeta seasoning (r)</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RqKm5uSoftI/AAAAAAAAAks/D1JLHzeDAwM/s1600-h/100_0415.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5089814039491018450" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RqKm5uSoftI/AAAAAAAAAks/D1JLHzeDAwM/s320/100_0415.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Food.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; AJVAR.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The national relish.  Ajvar: pureed red pepper and eggplant spread. Bright red.  Served with salads, meats, on its own. Everywhere&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Buy at Balkan food supply stores, or the international section of a big supermarket. Now, our recipe:  Take half ajvar, half crushed tomatoes, some rice wine vinegar (or balsamic) splashed to taste, and it beats ketchup.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See how to make ajvar at www.necessaryjourneys.blogspot.com/2005/10/walking-on-my-stomackor-how-to-make.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. BUZARA&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scampi buzara: www.croatiatraveller.com/Recipes/buzara.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This uses Vegeta, a seasoned salt used in so many Balkan dishes. It has dried vegetable bits and is available at our supermarkets now, in the international section. Does have msg. I use it even in eggs now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. CEVAPCICI&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a sausage shaped ground meat dish with beef, lamb and pork. Cevapcici.&amp;nbsp; Or shape them as patties/sausage with Vegeta, cevapcici,  at www.xpat.nl//journal_archief/.&amp;nbsp; There are variations with lamb, beef and pork, egg white, garlic, baking soda, cayenne and regular pepper, and paprika, this from Serbia. See://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Serbian-Cevapcici/Detail.aspx/&amp;nbsp; Comments included to add the Vegeta. These are not fried, just grilled. Other recipes fry; or specify more garlic cloves and to grind seasonings together before adding to the lamb, beef and pork mix. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We keep Vegeta on the shelf like any other mixed seasoning - gives a deeper flavor than other mixes. It comes in foil bags folded over at the top, a little lasts a long time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; TUICA&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A shot of cheer. Croatia as well as Romania.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Romania, tuica. Home made clear brandy. Should never be opaque, or white, or milky looking. Recipe? Hard to find because often homemade. Wikipedia offers one, specifying a brass still, placement on hill or in barn, and close attention to the sounds coming from it as you go. Age it 6 months to 10 years, in oak. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A2uic%C4%83/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Flavors - Some licorice, plum (possibly other fruit like quince, sour cherry, fig), ginger, coriander, perhaps some cinnamon, See http://www.ask.com/bar?q=tuica+recipe&amp;amp;page=1&amp;amp;qsrc=2994&amp;amp;ab=5&amp;amp;title=A+DRINKER%27S+GUIDE+TO+EASTERN+EUROPE+|+More+Intelligent+Life&amp;amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moreintelligentlife.com%2Fstory%2Fa-drinker039s-guide-to-eastern-europe&amp;amp;sg=7Ae5qVPwaocbbeH6TraUa8HZUcN%2BJ1UKQ7RvWiJjtos%3D&amp;amp;tsp=1256155108900/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Croatia, slivovicz.&lt;br /&gt;Or slivovitz.  See www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/s/s0478600/&amp;nbsp; Try a home brew, ://www.ask.com/bar?q=slivovicz+recipe&amp;amp;page=1&amp;amp;qsrc=2417&amp;amp;ab=3&amp;amp;title=Sir+Benfro%3A+Prejudice+and+Plum+Brandy&amp;amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fsirbenfro.blogspot.com%2F2007%2F09%2Fprejudice-and-plum-brandy.html&amp;amp;sg=OAkU98IlEnydJvRshttbwMY1vbJYfo31XO60L2XWIqw%3D&amp;amp;tsp=1256155400660&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And a history of spirits-making at www.abbeville.com/Products/Excerpt/0789201658Excerpt.htm. &lt;br /&gt;Excellent.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-114910859602232264?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/114910859602232264/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=114910859602232264' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/114910859602232264'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/114910859602232264'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/05/food-and-calendars-nuts-and-bolts.html' title='Food -- Ajvar, scampi buzara, cevapcici, slivovicz, Vegeta seasoning (r)'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RqKm5uSoftI/AAAAAAAAAks/D1JLHzeDAwM/s72-c/100_0415.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-832555858339446798</id><published>2007-07-09T09:26:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:18.641-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holocaust Museum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ustache'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Concentration Camp'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jasenovac'/><title type='text'>Update: Jasenovac concentration camp</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RpI4W1S34rI/AAAAAAAAAkk/3omobWnEHWI/s1600-h/Jasenovac.pathpondview.tulipmem.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5085188894169227954" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; CURSOR: pointer" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RpI4W1S34rI/AAAAAAAAAkk/3omobWnEHWI/s320/Jasenovac.pathpondview.tulipmem.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fresh evidence of how successful a policy of sweeping bodies under the grass can be. This is an update of an earlier post on Jasenovac at 12/6/06.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just look at it. How could such a pretty park signify programmed mass murder? A memorial indeed gone from memory again. The new Ripley's: here is Jasenovac, the WWII concentration camp. See earlier Jasenovac post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An article in the New York Times, 7/2/07, International Section, by Nicholas Wood, points out the concern of Daniejel Ivin, president of Croatian Helsinki Committee for Human Rights: that people are being taught that Ustache actions, (the WWII ethnic cleansing and religious-cultural genocides of Serbian Orthodox, gypsies, Jews, others, and with established-church people remaining essentially passive) no worse than other actions of leaders in the later Yugoslavia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The joy of oblivion - see the photo in the article, of young fans gesturing in the old Ustache (WWII Croat puppet government) salute, and wearing old symbols of that era, including swastikas, and apparently uncaring about or ignorant of their holocaust-totalitarian significance.&lt;br /&gt;Come again?&lt;br /&gt;No wonder kids treat these symbols as nothing more than rockstar fun. Jasenovac concentration camp is now an ignored and unsung bit of acreage, with a rundown memorial tulip, and abandoned museum). There are some reminders in bronze maps and paths through beautiful pond area, but the real history has successfully been remade by the victors.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-832555858339446798?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/832555858339446798/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=832555858339446798' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/832555858339446798'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/832555858339446798'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/07/update-jasenovac-concentration-camp.html' title='Update: Jasenovac concentration camp'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RpI4W1S34rI/AAAAAAAAAkk/3omobWnEHWI/s72-c/Jasenovac.pathpondview.tulipmem.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-5362701868226928633</id><published>2007-06-18T08:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:18.979-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Magyar'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hungarian population'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sisenik'/><title type='text'>Hungarian population in Croatia - near Sisenik</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnaACQR-jgI/AAAAAAAAAgA/xrUU4v-5WQo/s1600-h/Hungarhousesisenik.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnaACQR-jgI/AAAAAAAAAgA/xrUU4v-5WQo/s320/Hungarhousesisenik.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5077386406125276674" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this traditional Hungarian neighborhood, near Sisenik, also near Zagreb (the capital), the houses are wood.  They are distinctive from the other Croatian houses, that appeared to be a stone or brick, or stone/brick covered with stucco.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There were vast migrations of Magyars from the area now known as Hungary, throughout Eastern Europe.  These houses also look like the traditional wooden houses in Poland.  Don't know enough about the populations to tell the roots. Wikipedia says that there was a relationship between the Croatian and Hungarian groups, sharing a sovereign, from 1102-1918. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hungary.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-5362701868226928633?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/5362701868226928633/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=5362701868226928633' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5362701868226928633'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5362701868226928633'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/hungarian-population-in-croatia-near.html' title='Hungarian population in Croatia - near Sisenik'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnaACQR-jgI/AAAAAAAAAgA/xrUU4v-5WQo/s72-c/Hungarhousesisenik.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-2016888374500484480</id><published>2007-06-18T08:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:19.283-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sinj'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cemetery'/><title type='text'>Sinj - Above-rock Cemetery</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ9mAR-jdI/AAAAAAAAAfo/ESy1u73x8h4/s1600-h/cemabovegr.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ9mAR-jdI/AAAAAAAAAfo/ESy1u73x8h4/s320/cemabovegr.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5077383721770716626" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Near Sinj.  With the land so rocky, and karst hills, cemeteries may be surface mausoleums, in terraced rows. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is the church, again on top of the hill for defense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We came away with a fuller sense of "refuge" after seeing so many of these lone buildings, or perhaps forts and castles, silhouetted up there.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-2016888374500484480?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2016888374500484480/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=2016888374500484480' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/2016888374500484480'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/2016888374500484480'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/sinj-above-rock-cemetery.html' title='Sinj - Above-rock Cemetery'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ9mAR-jdI/AAAAAAAAAfo/ESy1u73x8h4/s72-c/cemabovegr.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-5442082999569511973</id><published>2007-06-18T07:31:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:19.498-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='real estate'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Istria'/><title type='text'>Istria - Real Estate Values</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ_EgR-jfI/AAAAAAAAAf4/xdS5X_KM-QI/s1600-h/Istriaview.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ_EgR-jfI/AAAAAAAAAf4/xdS5X_KM-QI/s320/Istriaview.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5077385345268354546" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Look to the background and see just the tips of the Alps at Slovenia.  This view is from the coast of Istria.  Istria is a province of Croatia, that also borders Italy and Slovenia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For second home buyers, consider northern Istria.  The New York Times, 5/25/07, notes similarities between this province in Croatia, with Tuscany. Compared to prices in Split or Dubrovnik, homes are relatively inexpensive. Munich is only 5 hours away, says the article.  "The Tuscany Life in Croatia: Second-Home Shoppers Look East for a Place in the Sun," by Brett Corbin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Planes and title searches.  No direct flights so far from US; and land use can be separated from the land in inheritances, reports Mr. Corbin.  Be careful if you decide to fly into Venice, an hour or so from Trieste, and drive over.  When we rented a car, a Trieste rental was not allowed into Croatia, but a Croatian rental was allowed into Italy.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-5442082999569511973?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/5442082999569511973/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=5442082999569511973' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5442082999569511973'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5442082999569511973'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/istria-real-estate-values.html' title='Istria - Real Estate Values'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ_EgR-jfI/AAAAAAAAAf4/xdS5X_KM-QI/s72-c/Istriaview.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-7662947190656072525</id><published>2007-06-03T09:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:19.735-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Knights Templar'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Templar'/><title type='text'>Templars, road from Osijek to Verajdin</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLFUuaxEmI/AAAAAAAAAWY/cIj12amn9wQ/s1600-h/scan0004.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLFUuaxEmI/AAAAAAAAAWY/cIj12amn9wQ/s320/scan0004.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071833090220954210" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Knights Templar accumulated great landholdings and many towns are said to have originated with their economic activity.  This is the ruin of a fortress in a Templar area on the way from Osijek to V.erajdin.  ,We took a non-motorway route across the northern area, just past the agricultural panhandle and moving back into hills and mountains.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The dirt road that looked like it was going to the fortress and town up there looked ok, but rapidly became rutted and rocky.  I became rapidly uncomfortable, so we backed down.  Literally.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-7662947190656072525?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7662947190656072525/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=7662947190656072525' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7662947190656072525'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7662947190656072525'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/templars-road-from-osijek-to-verajdin.html' title='Templars, road from Osijek to Verajdin'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLFUuaxEmI/AAAAAAAAAWY/cIj12amn9wQ/s72-c/scan0004.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-32446206086628548</id><published>2007-06-03T09:27:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:20.512-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carnival'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='graveyard'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Osijek'/><title type='text'>Near Osijek - The agricultural panhandle. Carnival, old grave</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLB6OaxEjI/AAAAAAAAAWA/4eJKp316aDo/s1600-h/DSCN3230.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLB6OaxEjI/AAAAAAAAAWA/4eJKp316aDo/s320/DSCN3230.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071829336419537458" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The pleasure and privilege of a car. Stop a while. At will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See the world's universals, up close if you want. Here is a carnival camp. Get out. Walk a bit. Breathe in. Breathe out. Again. Let time pass.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wander in an old graveyard off the road. Find a girl's face. Hello. Terejiza. Her picture, in ceramic, holding a book. A direct gaze. What happened?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLDgOaxEkI/AAAAAAAAAWI/cP-0kruYKLg/s1600-h/girlgrave.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLDgOaxEkI/AAAAAAAAAWI/cP-0kruYKLg/s320/girlgrave.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071831088766194242" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A river, the view from the trestle bridge. Do not do what we did .  We followed some local people up the staircase to cross the bridge on the pedestrian walkway.   When we came down, a train came by not long after.   I looked back up, and saw the other people standing firmly by poles, arms around, back to the train, with the nonchalance of experience.  Would we have had the wits to do that?  Never go on railway bridges.  Never. Not even when there is a pedestrian walkway.&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLMYuaxEsI/AAAAAAAAAXI/IxcA-5lxTaY/s1600-h/DSCN3216.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLMYuaxEsI/AAAAAAAAAXI/IxcA-5lxTaY/s320/DSCN3216.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071840855521825474" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-32446206086628548?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/32446206086628548/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=32446206086628548' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/32446206086628548'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/32446206086628548'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/06/near-osijek-carnival-in-passing.html' title='Near Osijek - The agricultural panhandle. Carnival, old grave'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLB6OaxEjI/AAAAAAAAAWA/4eJKp316aDo/s72-c/DSCN3230.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115111058720563612</id><published>2007-01-31T20:46:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:21.229-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dubrovnik'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><title type='text'>Dubrovnik -- Dalmatian Coast</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmINCeaxEcI/AAAAAAAAAVI/EpsgU3OyWmg/s1600-h/wallsdubrov.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmINCeaxEcI/AAAAAAAAAVI/EpsgU3OyWmg/s320/wallsdubrov.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071630466548830658" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIMsuaxEbI/AAAAAAAAAVA/x-qsxo-9p-8/s1600-h/DSCN3182.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIMsuaxEbI/AAAAAAAAAVA/x-qsxo-9p-8/s320/DSCN3182.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071630092886675890" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3177.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3177.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Dubrovnik - famous walled city. Also a World Heritage Site.  See whc.unesco.org/en/list/95.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Red roofs.  Bombed heavily by Serbia during the wars, now restored.  There can be no full recovery of the destruction of actual original heritage sites, however.  There remains a botox quality to the reconstructions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIMVuaxEaI/AAAAAAAAAU4/1qk1jHwm5As/s1600-h/DSCN3180.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIMVuaxEaI/AAAAAAAAAU4/1qk1jHwm5As/s320/DSCN3180.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071629697749684642" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;And regular people living there.  Here is some street soccer, seen from the city walls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An ideal 8-day trip would be to fly into Dubrovnik, drive around the walled cities immediately up the coast and back, then do two days in Montenegro to see the spectacular mountains. Take the ferry to Korcula sometime in between. Croatia also has mountains, but they are a barer rock than in Montenegro, with all the deforestation (thank you, Venice and others, who conveniently ravaged Croatia to build your fleets with Croatian timber. Overview of Dubrovnik - see www.visit-croatia.co.uk/dubrovnik/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dubrovnik was heavily bombarded during the 1990's Balkan wars,  but is largely and well reconstructed.  It is not like Germany, where the reconstructions are easily visible because of inelasticity.  In Dubrovnik, for example, they used old techniques and reusable stone.  Then again, they did not have an entire country the size of Germany to rebuild.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115111058720563612?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115111058720563612/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115111058720563612' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115111058720563612'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115111058720563612'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/dubrovnik-walled-cities-trogir.html' title='Dubrovnik -- Dalmatian Coast'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmINCeaxEcI/AAAAAAAAAVI/EpsgU3OyWmg/s72-c/wallsdubrov.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115739252125436908</id><published>2007-01-30T13:50:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-06-30T17:20:27.406-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cavtat'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><title type='text'>Cavtat - Dalmatian Coast on the way to Montenegro</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmKZv-axEhI/AAAAAAAAAVw/3Pas0O5y9-0/s1600-h/cavtat.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071785179860767250" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmKZv-axEhI/AAAAAAAAAVw/3Pas0O5y9-0/s320/cavtat.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Cavtat, Croatia, bay view&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is on the way to Montenegro, south from Dubrovnik. Take a few days to at least see the start of the mountains, and coast.  See &lt;a href="http://www.montenegroroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt; Montenegro Road Ways&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cavtat is a good stopping point on the way - an ancient coastal town now mostly resort and marina - see photos at pictures.cavtat.com/. We arrived at dusk, in time for a great "riva" or harbor-walk promenade that goes out to a long point of land. The promenade begins just past that parking area.  There is a dredger, and the view is from our hotel. By morning it was raining. That view is from our hotel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The town dates from the Illyrians, the Greeks and Romans, www.cavtatportal.com/pages/cavtat_then_and_now.  Many hikers, adventure-climbers at the hotel. Easy to get a several-day car rental also.  See dalmacija.modrojezero.org/Cavtat/index.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115739252125436908?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115739252125436908/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115739252125436908' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115739252125436908'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115739252125436908'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/cavtat-on-way-to-montenegro.html' title='Cavtat - Dalmatian Coast on the way to Montenegro'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmKZv-axEhI/AAAAAAAAAVw/3Pas0O5y9-0/s72-c/cavtat.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115720192196902426</id><published>2007-01-30T08:56:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-20T07:46:44.719-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Diocletian&apos;s Palace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Split'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UNESCO'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Saint Sebastian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='World Heritage'/><title type='text'>Split - Dalmatian Coast, UNESCO</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0030.1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0030.1.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Split, known for Diocletian's Palace and St. Bartholomew's demise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Split is a large commercial and historical center.  It is the coastal town where the Roman Emperor Diocletian built his huge retirement palace, with room for the army. See w3.mrki.info/split/diokl. It later was a refuge for people fleeing the Turks, who set up their own town within the old Diocletian's palace walls. People still live there - shops, residences, cafes - a village within a palace.  It is some 7 1/2 acres, some 220 buildings. Split was Diocletian's home town originally - a Roman Emperor from Croatia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The group on the steps in the AM tuxedos is a vocal quintet, performing classical and traditional music. You can see the old palace behind. We bought their CD, so their tuxedos were successful marketing - good for them. More on culture at Split, see www.lacity.org/SisterCities/split1.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Word on Split and other towns on Sunday nights:  Eat early, or you will be into fast food until 8PM, and nothing after that but peanuts if you are lucky, in a pub. We had thought we could enjoy a nice dinner on Easter evening - rain on Easter morning at Pag, Nin and Zadar - dining at the usual after 8PM - but we ended up with the peanuts. Really. The positive side was the pub - political discussions on the search for people from the wars, proceedings at The Hague, and ethnic views.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Split is the second largest city in Croatia, after the capital, Zagreb. It is a UNESCO World Heritage site.  See whc.unesco.org/en/list/97.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Emperor Diocletian ordered the death of St. Sebastian.  Sebastian did not die of his arrows, however, but the myth persists that he did. He did not live long, however. Diocletian issued further orders.  See www.marquette.edu/haggerty/collections/sebas. Advances?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115720192196902426?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115720192196902426/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115720192196902426' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115720192196902426'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115720192196902426'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/split-diocletians-palace-and-st.html' title='Split - Dalmatian Coast, UNESCO'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115115644830598146</id><published>2007-01-29T09:36:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:21.586-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cathedral of St. James'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sibenik'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UNESCO'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='World Heritage'/><title type='text'>Sibenik - Dalmatian Coast, UNESCO</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLItOaxEpI/AAAAAAAAAWw/e_hymMpCEu8/s1600-h/SibenikAdEve.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLItOaxEpI/AAAAAAAAAWw/e_hymMpCEu8/s320/SibenikAdEve.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071836809662632594" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Sibenik. Walled city,. The Cathedral of St. James. Adam and Eve at a doorway. And the ring of faces. Over 70 sculptured faces on the cornice going around, faces of ordinary folk - not saints, not famous civil officials, just people - expressing every emotion. For more on Sibenik's history: www.lemaxc.hr/sibenik/history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3190.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3190.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Traveling from Zadar, stopping off and on.&lt;br /&gt;There is a motorway, but we avoided it. We took the coast old road instead, small towns with fine food, go slow around the curves, cliffsides, maybe not guardrails, but people are careful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Croatia has a history of valuing common people.  It is the country where the people's language was used by Bishop Gregory in the 10th Century, until he was stopped by Rome and compelled to use Latin, that the people could not understand. See post on Nin. So, seeing a veneration for common men and women as shown on this Cathedreal, and for their lives, was not as jarring here, as it would be in Rome. The Cathedral is a UNESCO World Heritage site.  See whc.unesco.org/en/list/963.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3206.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3206.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was flower market day in Sibenik.  Other days focus on meats, produce, or goods.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We hear so much of Balkan turmoil. A less explored idea, in connection with that, is where it came from.  Location, location.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Balkans were the first stop for the Ottoman Empire expansion, The Balkans had to be the buffer for violence for centuries, enabling Venice, Austria, Hungary, France, Germany to develop at least without that threat on their doorsteps.  The Balkans absorbed it. Albania has never recovered from the conqueror doing what conquerors do - exploit. The upending of the religious and political landscape. Bosnia, Serbia, Herzegovina, all part of that heritage. Need more research here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You and I can start with these lectures on Balkan history: at www.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;..........................................................&lt;br /&gt;Books read on the way and after home:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Black Lamb, Grey Falcon: A Journey Through Yugoslavia, by Rebecca West (1939). This is so big as a paperback that I sliced it in half, used heavy cellophane on each as a new cover, and then could read it. Old, but no comparison as to history, philosophy, geography, social customs, all in pre-WWII.&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&amp;field-author-exact=Rebecca%20%20West&amp;amp;rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank/104-8523892-7754349"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cafe Europa:  Life After Communism, by Slavenka Drakulic, 1st American ed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Balkan Ghosts:  A Journey Through History, by Robert D. Kaplan, St. Martin's Press 1993&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115115644830598146?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115115644830598146/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115115644830598146' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115115644830598146'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115115644830598146'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/sibenik-cathedral-faces-market-day-and.html' title='Sibenik - Dalmatian Coast, UNESCO'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLItOaxEpI/AAAAAAAAAWw/e_hymMpCEu8/s72-c/SibenikAdEve.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-7664575958717590704</id><published>2007-01-28T11:18:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:21.860-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Zadar'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><title type='text'>Zadar - Dalmatian Coast</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIHz-axEZI/AAAAAAAAAUw/z0Y6akSkVQc/s1600-h/DSCN3160.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIHz-axEZI/AAAAAAAAAUw/z0Y6akSkVQc/s320/DSCN3160.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071624719882588562" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Easter Morning.  In drizzle, we went on from Nin to the larger town, Zadar. At this site,  dalmacija.net/zadar, click on "city tour" at the bottom menu.  Very cosmopolitan.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the traditional to the contemporary:  here is an upscale urban and very contemporary family at the nearby city of Zadar, see &lt;a ahref="http://www.dalmacija.net/zadar.htmat"&gt;Zadar&lt;/a&gt;,  the Cathedral of St. Anastasia, see&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/%20http://www.zadar.hr/English/Zupanija/Legende.aspx"&gt; legends, Zadar&lt;/a&gt;, built on the grounds of the old Roman forum. The cathedral is being repaired. For American Croatians interested in their history, see &lt;a href="http://www.everyculture.com/multi/Bu-Dr/Croatian-Americans.html"&gt; American Croatians&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Zadar has been proposed as a World Heritage site.  See &lt;a href="http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/157/"&gt; Zadar Proposed World Heritage&lt;/a&gt;.This family could be from any major urban area. There is ongoing reconstruction work. The city dates from the 9th Century BC - with layers of each cultural group's influence all around - Gothic, Renaissance, Baroque, large areas of big walls. We may think of Croatia as distant, but it is just across the water from Venice. Upkeep ongoing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a Christian Orthodox bishop here and a Roman Catholic bishop.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Croatian coats of arms are prominent in bookshops, displays, town information, and Wikipedia (always good for an orientation) does a good job in describing Zadar, and with a map, and including its coat of arms.  See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadar.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-7664575958717590704?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7664575958717590704/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=7664575958717590704' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7664575958717590704'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7664575958717590704'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/12/zadar-on-easter-morning.html' title='Zadar - Dalmatian Coast'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIHz-axEZI/AAAAAAAAAUw/z0Y6akSkVQc/s72-c/DSCN3160.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115115699340259569</id><published>2007-01-28T09:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-03T06:54:44.292-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Senj'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Uskok'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><title type='text'>Senj and the Uskoks - Dalmatian Coast - An Unknown People</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/SeacoastCroatia.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/SeacoastCroatia.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Still the Dalmatian Coast, but farther north than the usually seen walled cities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At Senj, there is a fortress at the top of the hill behind the port town,.  A large valley in the mountains funnels to the sea. See overview at www.senj.hr/English/Geographical_pos. There, refugees from the Turks, Uskoks, fled and set up a town, and fought back. See www.lickosenjska.com/senj/senj1_e/senj1_e.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Uskoks had helped the Venetians, by fighting back the Turks, and enabling the Venetians to disengage and just keep paying financial tribute to the Turks, instead of fighting themselves, say the books. Ongoing research - see lookups at &lt;a href="http://www.bogomilia.blogspot.com/"&gt;Bogomilia: A Site for the Unsung&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, when the Uskoks through their experience in battle and on ships were getting too strong, the Venetians turned against them, eventually destroying them and dissipating their numbers.  The Uskoks had become great seamen, managing the winds that even the Venetians could not; so they became pirates. Always check up on Wikipedia because the information can be updated, or left erroneous - but this looked accurate, in line with what we think we learned: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uskok.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Courage, flexibility, adaptability,  and drive.  All for nothing.  Just another page in history.  But it is good to see how school children now can tour the fortress up there,and see the great crests of the old Croatian families lined up on the walls, and read of the great struggles for independence and dignity of the past.  There is huge post and beam construction that still holds up, for you builders.  The town looks like this, I believe this is Senj, but if it is a neighboring town, Senj looks like this from the top where the fortress is. We walked up there.  We try to take notes, but sometimes get pictures mixed.  For a scholarly long article, try The Uskok "Problem" at etext.virginia.edu/journals/EH/EH42/Simon42.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115115699340259569?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115115699340259569/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115115699340259569' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115115699340259569'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115115699340259569'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/senj-and-uskoks-unknown-people.html' title='Senj and the Uskoks - Dalmatian Coast - An Unknown People'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115774346151277766</id><published>2007-01-26T14:46:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-05-27T11:11:52.650-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bishop Gregory'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='St. Cross'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gregory of Nin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gregor'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bishop Grgur'/><title type='text'>Nin on Easter morning - Dalmatian Coast</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3158.1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3158.1.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;Nin, Croatia: Parishioner, Easter Morning&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Easter morning.  Meet a parishioner on the walking bridge of the ancient town of Nin, going to St. Cross. The sun had just began to show after downpours at Pag, to the northeast.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She wears traditional dress, black formal wear that we understand is expected for widows, and for occasions: black stockings and shoes, a full skirt, and here she has the babushka and a short black overcoat. Sometimes there is black embroidery. Here, not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nin is the oldest Croatian &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;royal &lt;/span&gt;town, says  dalmacija.net/zadar/ see also ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislav.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;King Tomislav, who ruled 910-928 (becoming King in 925) had conquered the coastal cities of the Dalmatian Coast, and issues arose as to the sovereignty of the Archbishopric of Nin here and Bishop Grgur. Gregor. Gregor. Gregory. Of Nin.  See Tomislav at &lt;a href="http://bosniaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/capilyn-near-croatian-border-statue.html"&gt;Bosnia Road Ways, King Tomislav, Capilyn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nin and the next and larger town, Zadar, are often grouped together in write-ups.  Go to the middle of the page for a writeup on Nin. Nin is off the main road going from Pag to Zadar, on the Dalmatian coast. Seewww.dalmatianet.com/_destination/region-north-dalmatia/ for both Pag and Zadar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nin once was a major port and commercial hub in medieval times. I wrote to the priest there and enclosed this lady's picture, but have not heard back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the old bridge where we met her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0025.8.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0025.8.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;Nin, Croatia, bridge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3154.1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3154.1.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;Nin, Croatia: Bishop Gregory, Gregor of Nin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is Bishop Gregory of Nin, a strong 10th Century Christian religious leader who used the Croatian language in liturgy.  See more on Gregory of Nin at www.answers.com/topic/gregory-of-nin. He finally was stopped by the Pope, who wanted only Latin used, with the result that the people could not understand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The feet or hands on many statues of saints, like the large toe of Grigor Nin here, are rubbed bright with the touchings of people with supplications, or just for luck for the rest. The statue is by the sculptor Mestrovic, with the original here (or is the original in Split??) and a copy in the second largest city, Split.  See www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Croatia/Dalmatia_Split_Region/Split-384998/Things_To_Do-Split-Grgur_Ninski_statue-BR-1. Scupture traditions, Split.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3155.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3155.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;Nin, Croatia: Cathedral, St. Cross, claimed as world's smallest&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nin has the world's smallest cathedral, St. Cross, dating from the 9th century.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For full listings of the major religious buildings in Croatia, including at  Nin, see &lt;a href="http://www.croatia-travel-highlights.com/Croatia_history.html"&gt; Monuments, Sacred &lt;/a&gt; A more detailed accounting of history and Nin, and other statues of Grigor Nin is on a blog at &lt;a href="http://www.hr/darko/etf/nin.html"&gt; Nin blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3156.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3156.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;St. Cross Cathedral, Nin, Croatia (world's smallest?)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115774346151277766?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115774346151277766/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115774346151277766' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115774346151277766'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115774346151277766'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/nin-and-zadar-on-easter-morning.html' title='Nin on Easter morning - Dalmatian Coast'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115115616274134600</id><published>2007-01-26T09:24:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-07-16T11:54:10.584-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pag'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='geo-tourism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='geotourism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='karst'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><title type='text'>Pag - Dalmatian Coast , karst , salt and deforestation</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/karst.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; CURSOR: pointer" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/karst.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The Dalmatian Coast has its barrenness, as well as the more lush walled cities area toward the south. Here is the area around Pag. Near Zadar. See map at www.lonelyplanet.com/ - if you get lost, use these additional indicators - mapshells/europe/croatia/croatia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We were there in the pouring rain. No visibility except the barrens. Pag is a historic town, the end of a long peninsula, on Pag island, and on barren limestone plateau area, called "karst." See encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761577939/Croatia.htmlkarst. Other places use the word karst for mountain areas as well. This would be an excellent geo-tourism site because of the geological sites and attractions.  See book "Geotourism" by Ross Dowling at this site: elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/706060/description#description. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pag is also a ferry port, for those coming by water from the Istrian peninsula, like Rijeke. It had been known for its traditional dress, but few places show those except for special days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A moonscape, salt flats, and the mountains on the far side of the waterway are as close as I can get from our pictures. See www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/list, for more Pag photos. The mountains had been deforested for ships for the Venetians and others, and the process accelerated through the centuries. Perfect for salt works. See www.theworldwidegourmet.com/countries/europe/croatia/ston-salt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pag once was a busy port, for traffic from Rijeka and many other places. It still gets ferries and some port traffic, but is remote by car. We went to the main square, found a hotel, and had a full apartment at Pag, with a fine restaurant below. We prefer smaller local places to the hotels, if there is a choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pag is famous for its sheep's milk cheese, that whiffs of the varieties of herbs in the grass. Pag also used to be a place to see routine traditional dress, but not now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It also has nude beaches, I understand, but we were there in the cold and wet. The history of Pag is at &lt;a href="http://otokpag.com/PAG/eng/index.htm"&gt;Pag History&lt;/a&gt; There are other sites with that beach information. Go fetch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.hr/darko/etf/nin.html"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://otokpag.com/PAG/eng/index.htm"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115115616274134600?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115115616274134600/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115115616274134600' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115115616274134600'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115115616274134600'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/pag-karst-salt-and-deforestation.html' title='Pag - Dalmatian Coast , karst , salt and deforestation'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115159001648932988</id><published>2007-01-25T10:01:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2009-06-30T17:24:40.293-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trogir'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Primosten'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UNESCO'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='World Heritage'/><title type='text'>Primosten, Trogir and peninsula towns, Dalmatian Coast</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ-iAR-jeI/AAAAAAAAAfw/7HSpDbRuxNU/s1600-h/danviewnochair.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5077384752562867682" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ-iAR-jeI/AAAAAAAAAfw/7HSpDbRuxNU/s320/danviewnochair.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Primosten, Croatia, view&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dalmatian Coast. The walled town of Primosten. The standard view from the road heading south.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See www.dalmacija.net/primosten/home_eng. Primosten  once was on an island, made as a refuge from invading Turks, and finally a bridge -causeway was built. Picture-perfect. If you look closely, though, you see how modern the modern buildings are.  Photography is manipulative - ease out what doesn't fit the stereotype.  These scenes are not just stage sets for tourists - real people live here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After so many of these wonderful walled cities, Primosten was a quick look.  Just can't do it all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DanchairCroatiabig.0.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DanchairCroatiabig.0.jpg" style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Dan Widing at Primosten, scenic view from roadside armchair&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;Here is the happenstance view with Primosten in the background,&amp;nbsp; from an armchair handily placed by the side of the road, at the scenic lookout point, looking back. There is the ruin of a foundation there, so this is just like a living room of sorts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you. Much enjoyed. Humor world-wide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also did Trogir in just a few hours, a nearby walled city on a peninsula. This is also a UNESCO World Heritage site.  See whc.unesco.org/en/list/810.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3163.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3163.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Wisteria, wall at Trogir, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The age of many places is evidenced by the size of the plants - here, with wisteria, and in England, with rose bushes and rhododendron extending to second floors. In Greece, with portulacca? Is that the cascading deep pink?  Who could date this ancient wisteria: how fast does one grow per year?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115159001648932988?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115159001648932988/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115159001648932988' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115159001648932988'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115159001648932988'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/primosten-and-peninsula-towns-walls.html' title='Primosten, Trogir and peninsula towns, Dalmatian Coast'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RnZ-iAR-jeI/AAAAAAAAAfw/7HSpDbRuxNU/s72-c/danviewnochair.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115161823179833851</id><published>2007-01-24T17:44:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-20T07:48:14.688-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ferry'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Peljesac Peninsula'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Orebic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mali Ston Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ston'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UNESCO'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='World Heritage'/><title type='text'>Ston, Peljesac Peninsula, Dalmatian Coast: local ferry from Orebic;  Ston; and Marco Polo</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0017.5.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0017.5.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Dalmatian Coast, getting to the island of Korcula.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We chose a little local ferry from Orebic, at the end of the Peljesac Peninsula, instead of taking the big car ferry from Dubrovnik. Good choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First town, Ston. "Mali Ston" is the fortified point up there where the great wall ends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fortifications of Ston are among the longest in Croatia, providing increasing degrees of protection from invaders. As at Pag, there also are salt pans in the area.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ston has been proposed as a UNESCO World Heritage site, see whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/160/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ston: Drive north from Dubrovnik. Watch for signs to Ston, Orebic, even Peljesac Peninsula. Get off, go across little bridge, and there is Ston - old town with double fortifications: one set of walls around the town, with a V shape at top.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, look closely and see another set of walls heading farther up - also a V. A place for falling back and regouping. These kinds of walls are called multiple fortified curtain walls, and they are often seen going up the mountainside, each with its own smaller fort at the apex. See www.adriatica.net/croatia/ogradu_en__.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Military matters. Remember that a retreat, even a total melting back into the hills, is not necessarily a defeat. The best strategy may be to save your lives at the time, and not stand and fight against overwhelming odds  - but dissolve and regroup at some point, for a later return engagement.*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have tea and orange soda, wander, back in car and through long open spaces, little towns, fishing villages, memorials to WWII, cliffs, many scenic-type places to stop and stretch and learn something. We focus so much on Normandy and where our armies were, that it even comes as a surprise to be reminded of the devastation, sacrifice and heroism elsewhere. Who is provincial?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Orebic - Last town out. A regular local ferry plies back and forth all day there - cheap. Fast on, fast off (except for packing in the cars, see picture - but that is its own entertainment. Everybody leans over the rail to watch and applaud.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3185.0.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3185.0.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; No advance ticketing. Just get in line. The Orebic ferry leaves any time it is full. Even hourly, roughly. Plenty of rooms and hotels in the town. www.peljesac.info/orebic/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We got on line about 8AM and were on the first ferry from Orebic to Korcula.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our car is this red one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;..........................................................................................&lt;br /&gt;* More on military matters, after seeing the ingenious wall systems here. Read that biography, "The Life and Times of Genghis Khan," by Jim Whiting. I think that is the one I read, where the strategic retreat is described as historically used and highly effective - and expected.  If our leaders read more history, perhaps they would expect that as a sensible tactic in some parts of the world and not jump to premature victory conclusions. Genghis Khan, with his military genius combined with follow-through in administration, brought his empire all the way to the Adriatic.  See highly readable history lecture, a Dr. May at N.Ga.College and S.U. www.accd.edu/sac/history/keller/Mongols/empsub1.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115161823179833851?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115161823179833851/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115161823179833851' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115161823179833851'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115161823179833851'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/korcula-local-ferry-from-orebic-ston.html' title='Ston, Peljesac Peninsula, Dalmatian Coast: local ferry from Orebic;  Ston; and Marco Polo'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115281966875064796</id><published>2007-01-21T15:39:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-18T08:40:45.613-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='six hundred horsemen'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sinj'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dalmatian Coast'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><title type='text'>Sinj - Inland on the way to Mostar, Bosnia - The Six Hundred Horsemen</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0031.0.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0031.0.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Also near the Dalmatian Coast, but inland, in an area on the way to Mostar, Bosnia, is this town of the 600 horsemen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Arrive at Sinj (don't confuse with Senj, to the north) from Sibenik. This is a sidewinder route to Mostar that would be less mountainous than the direct "up."  Thank you, B&amp;amp;B in Split for the tip.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The clue to this town's past is this jouster, representing the contests that commemorate a great victory of the townsfolk over the Turks in the 1700's. There is a festival for this, in early August.  A little video of the festival is at www.geocities.com/sinj_grad/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We were there at the wrong time of year, but enjoyed the story:  the Turks conquered Sinj in the early 1500's, lost it to the Venetians in about 1700, and tried to recapture it in 1715.  But suddenly 600 horsemen from the town galloped out of Sinj onto the battlefield, and the Turks were turned back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The festival reenacts the battle - riders, dressed in traditional costume, parade and then compete, trying to spear a large suspended iron ring - much noise, cheering, song and pounding hooves, we hear. "Sinj Through the Centuries" at www.delmacijz.net/sinj/sinj_4.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115281966875064796?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115281966875064796/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115281966875064796' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115281966875064796'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115281966875064796'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/07/sinj-six-hundred-horsemen.html' title='Sinj - Inland on the way to Mostar, Bosnia - The Six Hundred Horsemen'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-7752879729054465524</id><published>2007-01-18T06:27:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2009-06-30T17:18:28.003-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Marco Polo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Korcula'/><title type='text'>Korcula - Island, Dalmatian Coast</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIQKeaxEfI/AAAAAAAAAVg/GU-izBiXosY/s1600-h/scan0023.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071633902522667506" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIQKeaxEfI/AAAAAAAAAVg/GU-izBiXosY/s320/scan0023.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Korcula, Island, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;Korcula is a favorite island for cruise ships - big car ferries ply from Dubrovnik and elsewhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look at any map, and get an idea of how many islands are just off the Dalmatian Coast. Everywhere. Each with its own walled towns, its own story of invasions, defenses, power shifts, and economic exploitation, cultural exchanges pro and con, and deforestation - Turks, Venetians, on and on. No peace?&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIOm-axEdI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/x_mwdRSCTBc/s1600-h/korclaundry.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071632193125683666" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIOm-axEdI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/x_mwdRSCTBc/s320/korclaundry.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Korcula, Croatia: Passageway, laundry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;Regular people also live here - note the laundry out the window, and through the passageway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They say that the Polo family lived in the house at the second floor door at this house in Korcula.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIQdOaxEgI/AAAAAAAAAVo/OoUPYAFonSQ/s1600-h/scan0024.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071634224645214722" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIQdOaxEgI/AAAAAAAAAVo/OoUPYAFonSQ/s320/scan0024.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Marco Polo House, Korcula, Croatia (claimed)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was a family named Polo, and there are links, but who knows? For Marco Polo enthusiasts, Here is more on Marco Polo - see www.silk-road.com/artl/marcopolo. Tune down your volume for this audio promotion for Korcula: www.korcula.net/naselja/korcula/index. There is some question whether Marco Polo actually went to China, or repeated the tales of others, because of omissions as to Chinese culture that ordinarily a traveler would be expected to note - chopsticks, tiny feet for ladies, the Great Wall. The other side notes that he probably lived with Mongols, who did not hold to those customs, and the Great Wall was not in its present form until the 16th century.  This is why we love history.  See ://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761556866/Marco_Polo.html&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-7752879729054465524?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7752879729054465524/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=7752879729054465524' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7752879729054465524'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7752879729054465524'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/01/korcula.html' title='Korcula - Island, Dalmatian Coast'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmIQKeaxEfI/AAAAAAAAAVg/GU-izBiXosY/s72-c/scan0023.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115161744227457508</id><published>2007-01-17T17:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:22.853-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='St. Peter Lighthouse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lighthouse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Makarska'/><title type='text'>Makarska, history, mountains and renting lighthouses</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLEfuaxElI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/_NA5kF1xces/s1600-h/makarska.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLEfuaxElI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/_NA5kF1xces/s320/makarska.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071832179687887442" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;See the panorama at www.makarska-online.net.&lt;br /&gt;Click on the Gallery, left menu.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0020.2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; cursor: pointer; text-align: center;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0020.2.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Makarska. Off the motorway from Dubrovnik toward Zagreb, Mountains sweeping directly into the Adriatic - every fjord-bay has a town. And its invaders, and deforestation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Makarska shows the effects of those multiple conquerors, rebuilding, layers. There is a point where people stop re-stuccoing over the stone, and some remain rough now.  As you walk about, find the full panoply of conquerors. The coast has a fine harbor, and the town is sheltered by the Biokovo range of mountains,. Lovely beaches, fine old monasteries.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There, in the succession of centuries, Romans ruled, then Goths, then Croatia (finally) until the Turks, then Venice. The town has been bombarded often and rebuilt. See www.st.carnet.hr/dalmacija/makarska/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can rent your own Croatian lighthouse here for some 700-1200 euro per week. These are in Croatian waters or at the end of a mainland, all from the 19th Century, says the Financial Times 7/15/2006. Go to adriatica.net/ for rental details and find a spot (say, at Plocica) that sleeps up to 14. Take your friends. Enjoy Christmas, New Year's and the summer. A particularly remote one, says the article, is Palagruza between Italy and Croatia (mid-water?). St. Ivan is near Rovinj.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One, St. Peter Lighthouse here in the photo, is just off the coast here at Makarska. Long promenades at the beach.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115161744227457508?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115161744227457508/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115161744227457508' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115161744227457508'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115161744227457508'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/makarska-history-mountains-and-renting.html' title='Makarska, history, mountains and renting lighthouses'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLEfuaxElI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/_NA5kF1xces/s72-c/makarska.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-2241908775483896845</id><published>2007-01-15T09:46:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:23.057-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='recipe'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='riblji paprikas'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Opatije'/><title type='text'>Opatije - Istrian Peninsula</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RlrjdeaxDhI/AAAAAAAAAN0/XfD8INTaUPI/s1600-h/opatje1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RlrjdeaxDhI/AAAAAAAAAN0/XfD8INTaUPI/s320/opatje1.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5069614426079956498" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Opatija, on the Istrian Peninsula. This was a favorite of Emperor Franz Joseph, notes a foodie article at www.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/dining/16istri - article by Mark Bittman in the Dining Out section. He is with chef Lidia Bastianich and writes that they arrived at a town "above Opatija, a favorite of Emperor Franz Joseph. It's a town of much faded glory and spectacular hillside views of islands and water." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Agree.  Resort. Hospitality, glorious fish - riblji paprikasFirst overnight after landing.  Hotels lining the main avenue.  Go to the side streets, hillsides, for something more affordable.&lt;br /&gt;Dinner on the water.  the waiter brought us, unexpectedly, four perfect little fish, fast fried whole, some kind of breading, on a lettuce leaf with the famous Croatian ajvar, a red sweet-pepper and eggplant puree relish. He said he could tell we were new here, and wanted us to have the best first. A little order of fried sardines arriving unannounced as a courtesy - four of them, perfectly placed on a lovely little plate. Hospitality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Istria peninsula, at the north, borders on Italy (Trieste) and Slovenia.  Its area runs the gamut from old world to new resort, to dry to port. Find it on the map at www.opatija.net/opatija.asp. We had arrived at the capital, Zagreb, went through Rijeka, and this was our first night in Croatia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Opatije was in the guidebooks as a fine resort past the bustle of Rijeke. See www.opatija.net/opatija.asp. More hotels and palm trees than we ever expected.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First taste of fabulous Croatian food - many courses, nothing heavy, all fresh. Complete with moon over the water.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Opatije is an old and still elegant resort town, the roads were being torn up and relaid, and parking was jammed on the side streets. One of the hotel clerks where we did not stay (too pricey) kindly came out and edged us out of the steep, now boxed-in parking spot, and actually drove us to another hotel, and even parked our car when I was on the verge of giving up on the tiny space on a vertical hill, huge gully, with the stick shift. He jogged himself back. Need time to get accustomed again to standard shifts. Thank you. More on Opatije: www.croatia.hr/English/TurizamPlus/KongresniCentri/TuristickeRegije.aspx?idDestination=7"&gt;Opatije.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If not provided as a courtesy, do buy their little breaded and deep fried and crispy outside perfect little sardines, four in a row on a little curly lettuce. These show too many and far too small (were we eating herring??) but you get the idea: Here are Croatian fried sardines - at www.flickr.com/photos/formfromfunction/120433283/. Go to the home page and only use the rest if you need it for navigating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anywhere. Fish. Where else can you sit in early afternoon, in a little tablecloth restaurant, in a small town,  somewhere on the coast, headed elsewhere, and find fish heaven. The people at the next table ordered and this is what we saw:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;They order their wine and a platter of clams, a variety.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;During it, in comes an ice cart with 8-9 whole fish and splendid little parslies and herbs, and they took their time, picked their own fish, each something different, and each told the waiter how it was to be prepared.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;More wine. Off goes the ice cart. Continue with the clams, then another hors d'oeuvre, and in comes your very own fish. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Stray from the menu. Ask for the fish cart instead. I did hear that not all the fish is caught locally - so much is shipped out - but it is worth denting your wallet for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Try the riblji paprikas - a fish stew,  stemming from the Hungarian-Serbian cultures.  A soft-cooked sliced onion, at least three kinds of fish, sliced (boneless), water to cover by about 1", bring to boil, add wine and fresh tomato puree or juice (depending on thickness of sauce you want), 4 Tbsp sweet Hungarian paprika, 1/2 -1 Tbsp cayenne (more is better).  Simmer 40 minutes. Serve with wide noodles and white wine.  Some put the noodles in first in the bowl, then the stew.  Frommer's is good on Croatian food.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-2241908775483896845?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2241908775483896845/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=2241908775483896845' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/2241908775483896845'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/2241908775483896845'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/03/glorious-fish-riblji-paprikas.html' title='Opatije - Istrian Peninsula'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RlrjdeaxDhI/AAAAAAAAAN0/XfD8INTaUPI/s72-c/opatje1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-2585389091063797021</id><published>2007-01-03T09:40:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-01-03T10:05:39.877-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Zrinski'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rijeke'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frankopan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trsat Castle'/><title type='text'>Rijeke - Gateway to Istria; or points south</title><content type='html'>Rijeke was our first stop, after our usual "run" from whatever airport, a need after the customs and car-renting, to just get out on a road and go.  There are fine motorways in Croatia, and we used them when we wanted to get somewhere fast.  Our first day somewhere after being cooped up in a plane is usually a "run." Then when we are far from the airport, we poky up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We headed immediately for the Rijeke hilltop area, where the old fort-castle is.  The center city and port area are predictably busy, see this slide show of a "virtual walk" from 1999 in the center city area, www.appleby.net/splash. Most of the sites resulting from a search for "Rijeke" are in Croatian. A lady named Lorraine has this site, with photos and narrative, and it is especially good for the Frankopan castle, Trsat: at cmrs.osu.edu/rcmss/Photojournal/Croatia/lorraine3. She must have her entire family there as well, so stop with the knight's crypt if you like.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See the town overview also at www.croatiatraveller.com/Kvarner/Rijeka/Sightseeing. Note that this is a big ferry port.  If we had not wanted to drive the whole coast south, and there are long, twisty, mountain barren stretches, we could have taken a ferry past all that. We broke our own rule to take every ferry we see, but for good reason.&lt;br /&gt;Signs for points of interest are good. We saw "Trsat" with arrows and went right up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a good overview of the Istria peninsula, starting just after Rijeke - the address is in long form, so start after the "English" and only use the later terms if you get lost in the website. http://www.croatia.hr/English/TurizamPlus/KongresniCentri/TuristickeRegije.aspx?idDestination=6.&lt;br /&gt;The home page lists the tourism areas covered all over the country.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remember the names "Frankopan" and "Zrinski"- prominent and old families in Croatian history.  Try Wikipedia for a start on any country's history - here at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankopan.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-2585389091063797021?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2585389091063797021/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=2585389091063797021' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/2585389091063797021'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/2585389091063797021'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/01/rijeke-gateway-to-istria-or-points.html' title='Rijeke - Gateway to Istria; or points south'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-5113236603724068481</id><published>2006-12-24T10:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-18T07:30:58.188-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tea'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='medieval'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Labin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='menu'/><title type='text'>Labin - Istria</title><content type='html'>Labin - a medieval warren of little cobbled streets,  little cafes, get lost. See www.istra.com/rabac/eng/labin.asp.  As with many old town centers, the parking is at a distance - and we walk.  Be sure to write down where the car is.  Better yet, we will try taking a picture of the street name and a landmark.  How else to get help finding your way back?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What to get for a snack - I went for the teas, in glasses, many herbal varieties.  There is always orange soda, or a local kind.  See what is on other people's tables and ask for it, and ask to be shown where the word is on the menu, and jot it down. Menus can be daunting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This site has a little map of the shape of Croatia, and where Istria is. Also photos. Again, search with stopping at the dot com, and only use the rest if needed to navigate. www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/list.php?exhibition=67&amp;pass=public&amp;amp;lang=eng&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-5113236603724068481?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/5113236603724068481/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=5113236603724068481' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5113236603724068481'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/5113236603724068481'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/12/opatije-labin-istria.html' title='Labin - Istria'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115834371520477992</id><published>2006-12-23T13:49:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2011-11-19T11:09:13.323-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pula'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lidia Bastianich'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nora Barnacle letter 1904'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='James Joyce'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Istria'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='recipes'/><title type='text'>Pula, Istria - that "raffish port"- James Joyce; and Cuisine</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/Pula.Dan.JamesJoyce.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/Pula.Dan.JamesJoyce.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt;" /&gt;Dan Widing and James Joyce, Pula, Istria, Croatia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Istria is the peninsula from which Trieste was carved and given to Italy after WWII.  Croatia retained most of the rest of the peninsula, with Slovenia keeping a port area and pathway to it.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&amp;nbsp; It has a literary and kitchen heritage.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;I.&amp;nbsp; Literary heritage.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Pula claims James Joyce, the Irish author, see &lt;a href="http://www.jamesjoyce.ie/detail.asp?ID=19"&gt;http://www.jamesjoyce.ie/detail.asp?ID=19&lt;/a&gt;; see also &lt;a href="http://www.pulainfo.hr/en/jj.asp"&gt;http://www.pulainfo.hr/en/jj.asp&lt;/a&gt;.  He lived there with Nora Barnacle (inexplicably misspelled as Barncale here and there), his&amp;nbsp;significant other and then his wife, 1904 until WWI, and then on to Zurich and then Paris.&amp;nbsp; We found him by the Roman Gate in Pula, outside a pub.&amp;nbsp; Pula is variously spelled Pulj, or Pola. &lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Why was he in Pula? Joyce taught at the Berlitz school, established to serve navy officers.&amp;nbsp; He taught English to Italians, Germans and Serbians.&amp;nbsp; He was insulting as to the Slavs ("who wear little red caps and colossal breeches"), and Austrians (" ... this Catholic country with its hundred races and thousand languages, governed by a parliament whih can transact no business and sits for a week at the most and by the most physically corrupt royal house in Europe."). See Richard Ellman, &lt;em&gt;James Joyce,&lt;/em&gt; at p. 186, below. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The school apparently was by the Roman Arch, built by the Sergiii, a prominent family in Roman and Medieval times. He and Nora lived in a furnished room and kitchen, 3d floor, Via Giulia 2. See Richard Ellman, &lt;em&gt;James Joyce: New and Revised Edition&lt;/em&gt;, Oxford Univ. Press 1982 (1959).&amp;nbsp; At page 156:&amp;nbsp; "Her name was a little comic, Nora Barnacle (she spells it Norah, see FN 1), but this too might be an omen of felicitious adhesion. (As Joyce's father was to say when he heard much later her last name was Barnacle, 'She'll never leave him.')"&amp;nbsp; See also &lt;a href="http://www.26books.com/2010/12/james-joyce-by-richard-ellmann-jamess-book-38-2010/"&gt;http://www.26books.com/2010/12/james-joyce-by-richard-ellmann-jamess-book-38-2010/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Read pages 186-87 for fine descriptions of the city.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;A review of his life and work is in "James Joyce" by Edna O'Brien, Lipper/Viking, NY - reviewed in Vogue 1/9/2000; and more extensively in the New Yorker 1/7/1999. See &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/01/09/reviews/000109.09sullivt.html"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/01/09/reviews/000109.09sullivt.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Pula, on the southern coast of Istria:&amp;nbsp;see overview at &lt;a href="http://www.istra.com/pula/"&gt;http://www.istra.com/pula/&lt;/a&gt;,  and a history at &lt;a href="http://www.histrica.com/istria/blue/pula/"&gt;http://www.histrica.com/istria/blue/pula/&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pula is famous for its Roman ruins, including the arch, and a large amphitheater and two temples.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;The Romans built the town as a port, then the Venetians took over, then the Austrians came in 1863 and built their naval arsenal and dockyard for torpedo boats, and men-of-war. Italians, Germans and Austrians.&amp;nbsp; Neither James nor Nora loved the place; neither did they love Austria. But the employment was acceptable, if borderline poverty.&amp;nbsp; A letter from Nora to James Joyce August 16, 1904, see FN 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;II.&amp;nbsp; Istria and Cuisine&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Many nationalities now&amp;nbsp;come for vacations, and settle, says the New York Times in a foodie article 5/16/07, "In Istria, Fresh from the Land and the Sea," by Mark Bittman in 'Dining Out.'  &lt;a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980DE3DB1331F935A25756C0A9619C8B63&amp;amp;ref=lidiabastianich"&gt;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980DE3DB1331F935A25756C0A9619C8B63&amp;amp;ref=lidiabastianich&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Do a search for istria octopus potato stew and up comes the entire article and its recipes- at least as of 6/18/07 (today).  There is also an asparagus frittata. It is becoming a culinary destination.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/01/22/travel/22istria.html?ref=lidiabastianich"&gt;http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/01/22/travel/22istria.html?ref=lidiabastianich&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;Lidia Bastianich, the chef, was born here, says the article. Look her up at &lt;a href="http://www.superchefblog.com/1990/01/super-chef-lidia-bastianich"&gt;http://www.superchefblog.com/1990/01/super-chef-lidia-bastianich&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;This site calls it "raffish."  See &lt;a href="http://travel.roughguides.com/roughguides"&gt;http://travel.roughguides.com/roughguides&lt;/a&gt;..&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;...................................&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FN 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Plate XIV, XV,&amp;nbsp;Copybook letter from Nora to James Joyce,&amp;nbsp;from the Cornelll University Library, in the Richard Ellman Joyce:&amp;nbsp; Periods and commas shown as they apparently are or are not--&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Leinster Street&lt;br /&gt;16 August 1904&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"My Dearest&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"My&amp;nbsp;loneliness which I have so deeply felt, since we parted last night, seemed to fade away&amp;nbsp;as if by magic, but. alas. &amp;nbsp;it was only for a short time. and then I became worse than ever, when I&amp;nbsp;read your letter from the moment that I close my eyes till I open them again in the morning. &amp;nbsp; It seems to me that I am always in your company. under every possible variety of circumstances talking to you walking with you meeting you suddenly in different places until I am beginning to wonder if any spirit takes leave of my body in sleep and goes to seek you, and what is more find you or perhaps this is nothing but a fantasy.&amp;nbsp; Occasionally too I fall into a fit of melancholy that lasts for the day and which I feel almost impossible to dispel it is about time now I think that I should finish this letter as the more I write the lonelier I feel in consequence of you bein so far away and the thought of having to write write what I would wish to speak were you beside me makes me feel utterly miserable so with best wishes and love I now close&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Believe me to be ever yours&lt;br /&gt;Norah Barnacle"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115834371520477992?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115834371520477992/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115834371520477992' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115834371520477992'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115834371520477992'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/09/pula-istria-that-raffish-port-and.html' title='Pula, Istria - that &quot;raffish port&quot;- James Joyce; and Cuisine'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-6345869471445768655</id><published>2006-12-10T16:54:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-03T07:03:48.604-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='currency conversion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sample menu. Karlovac'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='food'/><title type='text'>Karlovac, Interior. Food.  Menu Deciphering 101</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0019.2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; cursor: pointer; text-align: center;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0019.2.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Karlovac. This was an informal pubby place in Karlovac, south of the capital, Zagreb. Live music - go down the stairs from street level. A large sit-down party came in soon after and the dancing started. Karlovac is more a crossroads, rather than a usual "destination." From Karlovac, roads divide for going to Istria, or the other direction to Slovenia, or another direction for the coast and Dubrovnik.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4311/3548/1600/920596/meatmenucroat.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4311/3548/320/776204/meatmenucroat.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How to know what to order? You don't. Here are samples from a longer menu. The currency is "kuna." We either order from what we see other people eating (plate-spotting) or another foolproof formula, ordering the 6th and 12th, or other gap approach; or because the word looks interesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a meat course selection. All Croatian. We learn some basics over time. Can't go wrong with the raznici (pork kebabs), or the cevapcici (meatballs).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4311/3548/1600/240431/DSCN3227.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4311/3548/320/599672/DSCN3227.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;It works. We are usually very pleased. We also do not follow guidebooks on where to eat. Trying to find specific places takes too much time. Go where the people are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4311/3548/1600/816786/pastamenucroat.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4311/3548/320/137368/pastamenucroat.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Here is part of the pasta section.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pasta is easier - more usually multilingual. This pasta is stuffed with things, can be meat and rice, or whatever. For pasta, you can usually figure out what is what. If not, pick anyway. And, on the right is the pasta menu. This section is also multilingual - instead of just Croatian. A salute to global gastronomy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4311/3548/1600/600347/pizzatoppingscroat.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4311/3548/320/568599/pizzatoppingscroat.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This one is from pizza toppings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When in doubt, pizza. You know that pizza is good. You know that at least 3 toppings are good. So pick any 3 and enjoy. Some words are worldwide - feferoni here is, of course p-------i.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One kuna is $.18&lt;br /&gt;One dollar is $5.59 kuna.&lt;br /&gt;See &lt;a href="http://www.europeroadways.blogspot.com/"&gt;Europe Road Ways - How We Do It&lt;/a&gt; for the post on converting using your own handmade excel-type wallet cribsheet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More blogs about &lt;a href="http://technorati.com/blogs/croatiaroadways.blogspot.com" rel="tag directory"&gt;Croatia Road Ways&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://technorati.com/blogs/"&gt;&lt;img src="http://static.technorati.com/pix/tbf.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-6345869471445768655?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/6345869471445768655/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=6345869471445768655' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/6345869471445768655'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/6345869471445768655'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/11/eating-your-way-along-menu-deciphering.html' title='Karlovac, Interior. Food.  Menu Deciphering 101'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115159111537141664</id><published>2006-12-10T10:07:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-03T07:03:09.947-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frankopan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dubovac Castle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Karlovac'/><title type='text'>Karlovac, and Dubovac Castle;  Interior. Frankopan family</title><content type='html'>We chose time in Karlovac and more time in Slovenia, rather than a quiet day with Nature at the World Heritage site at Plitvice Lakes National Park, see whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&amp;id_site=98&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0025.0.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0025.0.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. The waterfalls there are spectacular, show the photos. Hard choices. Never time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3192.0.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3192.0.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Karlovac has an odd misfortune of history - its location is at a major meeting of roads to opposite destinations - people going to Slovenia, the Plitvice Lakes, or the Istria peninsula - Rijeke, Pula, and Trieste. Cars whiz right by.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is Dubovac Castle. It recently was used as a hotel and mistreated. The fortress now is being put back with great care. I wish I had the name of our young guide - he knew it all and so loved his work. The fortress is on a hill, and the hill itself was constructed by the people to increase the visibility from the castle - defense.  It is listed among Croatia's castles at www.castles.info/croatia/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;City of Karlovac.  The layout is a six-pointed star, also for defense - we saw that also in forts in England andIreland, making crossfire possible - with the old moats now public gardens. Overall, this is a gritty, industrial, needing-repair town. A recurrent theme in Croatia is the course of the Frankopan family - prominent in Croatian history and their palace at Karlovac is now a museum. Read more about them, and the intense nationalism of the Croatians ("We were once Trojans") at www.magma.ca/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our surprise was going to a cellar eatery, see other Karlovac post, and finding a whole banquet arriving, traditional music and all. Never would have had that experience if we had gone elsewhere. Pays to just get off the road and explore. See more photos at www.photocroatia.com/GALLERY/list.php?exhibition=48&amp;pass=public&amp;amp;lang=eng.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is another elegant castle, Frankopans also, in the nearby area called Ozalj. 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Frankopan family'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-114920810895581418</id><published>2006-12-06T20:19:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:23.438-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Concentration Camp'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Croatia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jasenovac'/><title type='text'>Jasenovac - Agricultural panhandle. Concentration Camp</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3218.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3218.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Here is what is left of this World War II concentration camp.  Drive west from Zagreb to the agricultural panhandle of Croatia, on  the motorway, toward Osijek. There is the town of Jasenovac, near the Bosnian border. There is no sign, but turn off anyway, to find the site, now just an ignored park.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You will find no information of what happened here except for a Croatian language small relief map on a metal pedestal. Its relics and photos were apparently moved to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. A check there affirms: See www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/jasenovac/.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3217.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3217.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This leaves little, if anything, to remind those at the actual site what happened. I understand that the area was destroyed in the 1940's, and then abandoned during the 1990's wars. See www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/jasenovac/. Even so, something more should have been left at Jasenovac. Where do families go to remember? The area is essentially a wildlife preserve, with a flat, mowed area with humps in the ground, and the outlines of rectangles, a museum building with windows broken and WC locked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there is a path on railway ties leading past a lovely still pond to a deserted tulip monument, but the pool areas inside are all dried up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3221.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3221.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; There was a bouquet of flowers from someone, but no memorials or lists of names that I saw.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can see a railroad spur, with a locomotive, caboose and boxcars that brought the people in, left as an exhibit. Its cargo long gone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0028.0.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0028.0.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is nothing of the people who died there - not even stacks of glasses and passports and dental work, as at Auschwitz or Dachau.  The Memorial Museum is locked and windows broken. Not even a WC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLKiuaxEqI/AAAAAAAAAW4/Ome2bKi3nXA/s1600-h/DSCN3224.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLKiuaxEqI/AAAAAAAAAW4/Ome2bKi3nXA/s320/DSCN3224.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071838828297261730" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you go, you will be alone, except for a possible tractor&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLLYeaxErI/AAAAAAAAAXA/nXE6j6BTIUE/s1600-h/DSCN3223.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLLYeaxErI/AAAAAAAAAXA/nXE6j6BTIUE/s320/DSCN3223.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071839751715230386" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and a cyclist or two, but go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At least look up the pictures of the horrors on the internet, and the discussions of religion-motivated executions, not just Nazi. &lt;a href="http://www.pavelicpapers.com/documents/jasenovac/index.html"&gt;Documents reviewed&lt;/a&gt;The versions of the involvement of church and other officials vary widely. Do your own research. Example, www.jasenovac.org/exhibits.php, for a history of the Ustache activities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We don't do much better. We hide our Jim Crow era, with entry to the Jim Crow Museum by appointment. See www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/FAQ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Croatia, even the German soldiers get better treatment. See the Zagreb post on Miragoj Cemetery. Lists of names, birth dates, dates of death, even though in a common grave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0003.7.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0003.7.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the burial place at St. Peter's, Zagreb, of Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac, who had a role in preventing/enabling deaths by Nazi, depending on what sources you believe, that some see as heroic, others as a betrayal. See, for example, grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2005/04/forgotten-genocide. for a blog on Jasenovac, including comments on Stepinac. See also www.emperors-clothes.com/croatia/stepinacfile.doc"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is an elaborate coffin on display near the altar in Zagreb at St. Peter's, that tour guides say is Stepinac's coffin, but other sources say he really is buried at the wall. See &lt;a href="http://www.jasenovac.org/exhibits.php"&gt;Jasenovac photos, discussion&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jewish history in Croatia, including through WWII and after: See &lt;a href="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Croatia.html"&gt;Jews in Croatia&lt;/a&gt;. The site points out that Dubrovnik has the second oldest synagogue in teh world.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-114920810895581418?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/114920810895581418/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=114920810895581418' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/114920810895581418'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/114920810895581418'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/jasenovac-wwii-concentration-camps.html' title='Jasenovac - Agricultural panhandle. Concentration Camp'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmLKiuaxEqI/AAAAAAAAAW4/Ome2bKi3nXA/s72-c/DSCN3224.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115282027588203642</id><published>2006-12-06T15:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:23.629-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tvrda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Osijek'/><title type='text'>Osijek, Tvrda - Agricultural panhandle, interior. Peace and War</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0027.3.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0027.3.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the area around Osijek, capital of the region known as Slavonia, Croatia.  This is different from Slovenia, the country that once was part of the old Yugoslavia; or another country, that once was part of the old Czechoslovakia, Slovakia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Osijek is at the far eastern end of Croatia, toward Belgrade. There is a large agricultural plain between Zagreb and Osijek - that extends to the Hungarian border, and their agricultural plain beyond. Many invasions. Flat. No place to hide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our hotel was at the center of the old city.There was a walkway from the main hotel to the apartments behind. It faced a wall - and someone had put in a full store-front shallow display window right on the wall, with a little room all furnished and lit up. Martha Stewart idea. All this is outside, a decorative idea to light your way to your rooms in the secondary building beyond.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0025.10.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0025.10.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cathedral's brick steeple at night.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmKhQuaxEiI/AAAAAAAAAV4/BqmDg9O3Vig/s1600-h/osijekch.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmKhQuaxEiI/AAAAAAAAAV4/BqmDg9O3Vig/s320/osijekch.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5071793439082877474" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the flatter lands, there is little big rock - so brick is the construction material used often.  Brick means less height, and none of the wildly lacy flying buttresses of high Gothic elsewhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that is not a matter of skill, it is the material. We saw no stone walls around, as though there are no rocky areas where frost from winter fields throws them up in the winter, as in New England. Less rock, less easy to build forts and fences, no handy weapon to pick up and pelt at your neighbor.  Easier pickings, as the Turks and other invaders found out, whizzing through on horseback.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0025.9.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0025.9.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;And modern conflict. Bullet holes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the outskirts is an old baroque fort area, known as Tvrda. See &lt;a href="http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/161/"&gt;Tvrda World Heritage&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See the evidence of the devastation of the 1990's wars, in patterns of gunfire. See the sprays. Many buildings are still burnt out and bombed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/DSCN3226.1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/DSCN3226.1.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;People have moved back into Tvrda, and it is being restored. Cafes are active, and evening is an excellent time to visit.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115282027588203642?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115282027588203642/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115282027588203642' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115282027588203642'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115282027588203642'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/07/osijek-peace-and-war.html' title='Osijek, Tvrda - Agricultural panhandle, interior. Peace and War'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RmKhQuaxEiI/AAAAAAAAAV4/BqmDg9O3Vig/s72-c/osijekch.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-115281958550516928</id><published>2006-12-06T15:39:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-03T07:23:10.129-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Verazdin'/><title type='text'>Verazdin - North - Stari Grad</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/1600/scan0027.2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6805/772/320/scan0027.2.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The north of Croatia looked traditionally to the west - Europe and Austria/Hungary (or was compelled to because of conquests); and the southern areas looked traditionally to the Orthodox in the south, and/or Constantinople because of the Ottoman conquests.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This castle in Verazdin, in the northeast section, north of Zagreb, looks very Austrian. It was built for Sir Walter Leslie - a Hungarian who obtained his barony in the 12th Century, and he is one of the roots of the scottish Clan Leslie. &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115281958550516928" croatia=""&gt;Verazdin&lt;/a&gt;; he also had palaces in Slovenia. Verazdin is shown midway down this cite: www.electriscotland.com/webclans/htol/leslie2. for information on Leslie, and Scots connections and the Balkans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Verazdin has been proposed as a World Heritage Site. See whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/162/. We left in a great rush.  See calendars post here.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-115281958550516928?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/115281958550516928/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=115281958550516928' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115281958550516928'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/115281958550516928'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/07/verazdin-stari-grad.html' title='Verazdin - North - Stari Grad'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-6615634796020993949</id><published>2006-12-05T15:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-03T06:33:26.491-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='photo gallery'/><title type='text'>A recommended photo gallery.</title><content type='html'>For fine photos, see www.pbase.com/bauer/croatia.  I so enjoy professional-looking work. We used throw-away cameras, (pile a dozen in the backpack) and finally Dan got a beginning digital. At the beginning of our forays, we could get disposable panoramics.  Excellent.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-6615634796020993949?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/6615634796020993949/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=6615634796020993949' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/6615634796020993949'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/6615634796020993949'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/11/excellent-photo-gallery-here.html' title='A recommended photo gallery.'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-7433192017699684100</id><published>2006-12-03T20:21:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-03T06:31:16.801-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='egg-sucking dog'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='European calendar week'/><title type='text'>Trip's end.  Calendar traps - When does a week begin?</title><content type='html'>Calendars. Watch out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/4311/3548/1600/scan0055.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/4311/3548/320/scan0055.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;SMTWTFS. That is us.&lt;br /&gt;MTWTFSS. That is them. Maybe some of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The months are often familiar-looking, but not the days. So here is PUSCPSN, for MTWTFSS.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was from a tourist office in Mostar, Bosnia, so the days are probably in their language, not Croatian at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point is that you may not know what day begins the week in the country where you are, and may get a day behind in your thinking for the time to leave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, if you are leaving on a Wednesday, and you use your American calendar, a Wednesday will probably show as the fourth day in. Check it out on your little plastic wallet one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a foreign calendar, however, the Wednesday may be the third day in. But maybe you don't know the country's days of the week yet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Upshot - Remember your flight out by the number-day, so you can glance at newspapers and check how much time you have left anywhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you look for where Wednesday "ought" to be, you may suddenly smash heel of hand to forehead and think you are a day late for your flight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Happened with us.  Wednesday was yesterday. We were semi-far away in Croatia. So we zipped back to the airport, from Verojdin and its lovely castle that remain to us unexplored. Beeline back to the ticket counter. What day is this? Egg on face. See www.worldwidewords.com, or www.phrases.org/uk for that one. I like the egg-sucking dog explanation best.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where to start the week is not a new issue. See, as a start on the issue, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Calendars/Poll2.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fair warning.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-7433192017699684100?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7433192017699684100/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=7433192017699684100' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7433192017699684100'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7433192017699684100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/10/when-calendars-begin-with-monday.html' title='Trip&apos;s end.  Calendar traps - When does a week begin?'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-2801487979841696749</id><published>2006-12-02T16:43:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T09:08:23.685-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='location exclusions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='car insurance'/><title type='text'>Car insurance issues - Side trips toTrieste, Bosnia, Montenegro</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RltMauaxDkI/AAAAAAAAAOM/tyqSWNrSFGM/s1600-h/scan0040.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RltMauaxDkI/AAAAAAAAAOM/tyqSWNrSFGM/s320/scan0040.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5069729827556232770" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Side-trip car insurance. Your papers must state where you are permitted to go. In some countries, going in from somewhere else is not permitted, but leaving from there may well be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. To go to Trieste. I understand that car rental insurance works from Croatia as an origin, to Trieste but not from Trieste as an origin to Croatia. Do your homewok. We do car rental arrangements from the US and get specific countries listed as ok before contracting, so we are not surprised.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. To go to Bosnia. Your paperwork must include it if you are driving from one part of Croatia to another, crossing that narrow bit of Bosnia in between at the coast. A port for Bosnia dips to the Adriatic just north of Dubrovnik, a waterfront span of Bosnia for about four miles, with Croatia on both sides.  Your Bosnia permission may be limited, excluding Kosovo and Sarajevo. Know in advance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.  To go to Montenegro.  Add it in advance, as with Bosnia. No areas are excluded, however.  Then be careful of the high mountain roads. Fabulous ski country, we hear, but on our own we avoided the highest areas.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you go in the fall, road repairs may be more complete than in the spring.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. To go to Slovenia. No exclusions.  No issues. And, it now is part of the European Union, and that is wave-your-passport, if anything, uninterrupted passage.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-2801487979841696749?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/2801487979841696749/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=2801487979841696749' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/2801487979841696749'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/2801487979841696749'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2007/01/car-insurance-issues-trieste-bosnia.html' title='Car insurance issues - Side trips toTrieste, Bosnia, Montenegro'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/RltMauaxDkI/AAAAAAAAAOM/tyqSWNrSFGM/s72-c/scan0040.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-114916830986868648</id><published>2006-12-02T09:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-03T07:22:30.395-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='itinerary'/><title type='text'>Itinerary After The Fact</title><content type='html'>1. The most distance-efficient way to see the Western Balkans area: at least Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia and Montenegro.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Take a crescent route (as we roughly did with the loop up to Trieste) from Zagreb, Rijeke, Opatije, Labin, Pula, Trieste (Italy), through corner of Slovenia back to Rijeke, Senj (and the Uskoks), Pag, Nin, Zadar, Sibenik, Trogir, Split, Sinj (and the 600 horsemen)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Then no change, but the same Bosnia: Mostar, Medjugorje, Capline.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;No change and back to Croatia:  Dubrovnik, Cavtat; and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;No change, Montenegro: Kotor (on the fjord), Budva (on the sea), Cetinje (in the mountains), Ostrog (monastery in cliff at impossible height)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;But then, once back in Croatia,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then, on the way back from Montenegro-Croatia, drive north through Serbia - there is a straight line up - through Sarajevo and back to Croatia.&lt;br /&gt;Serbia: just through checkpoints in mountains&lt;br /&gt;Bosnia: in this part, the cyrillic alphabet is used&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Croatia:  past Dubrovnik, to Ston, Orabice, ferry to Korcula and back, then Makarska, Sibenik again, Karlovac&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Slovenia: Ljubljana, Lake Bled, Kranj&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Croatia: Zagreb (Strossmayer and Stepinac), Busevac, Lekinik, Sisak, Jasenovac, Osijek, Nasice, Orahovica, Topolje, Koska, Valpovo, Slatina, Verazdin, Zagreb&lt;br /&gt;In Croatia, we saw most of the star-type attractions, but did not use this kind of list for more than general ideas. &lt;a href="http://www.planetware.com/top-rated/croatia-best-tourist-attractions-and-destinations-hr.htm"&gt; major attractions list, sample&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-114916830986868648?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/114916830986868648/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=114916830986868648' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/114916830986868648'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/114916830986868648'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/06/itinerary-after-fact.html' title='Itinerary After The Fact'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29069527.post-7810432679273238716</id><published>2006-12-01T09:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-06-03T07:25:21.816-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='archives'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='links'/><title type='text'>Links, posts, archives</title><content type='html'>We do not use direct s to other sites, pending clarification of the copyright laws and what facilitates someone' else's violation by making access so easy.  See www.bitlaw.com.  Also see the detail provided for "use" at zeljko-heimer-fame.from.hr/descr/about.html#discl.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please cut and paste for your own search, paste in the bar those parts of an address given that get you where you need to go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dates of posts create an intended chronology, all packed in one month if possible, so the entire trip is visible with one shot.  Archives continue the trip.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.technorati.com/claim/g3yncextnq" rel="me"&gt;Technorati Profile&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29069527-7810432679273238716?l=croatiaroadways.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/feeds/7810432679273238716/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=29069527&amp;postID=7810432679273238716' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7810432679273238716'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/29069527/posts/default/7810432679273238716'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://croatiaroadways.blogspot.com/2006/12/links-storage-area.html' title='Links, posts, archives'/><author><name>Dint</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/11331887976767892283</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ybSQeWxYLE0/SdvD0uB4SHI/AAAAAAAAHGI/fMzAbPVt_20/S220/100_0341.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
